Yes! outlaw provided another example for me. I, obviously, am not a big fan of Bush. However, I don't let that hatred affect my music tastes. I saw outlaw's album, didn't like more than a couple of people on the album, so I didn't buy it.
What Miss Ronstadt should have done was sing a song for Bush to appease the right wing section of the crowd with let's say "you're no good,you're no good,you're no good, baby you're no goooooooooooooood"
Or she could've done a Carly Simon cover: "You're so vein, you probably think God speaks through you, you're soooo vein!"
Lose the attitude, bro. The eyerolling isnt needed here. Do fans of other teams not post here on this forum?? Tell me how its apples and oranges though. Edit - Hell, look at your damn name !!! It's not Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio, or Tony Eusebio... For all I know you could be a celtics fan. If there was a search function maybe I would look up your posts or something, but I can't.
I prefer the old school one a la 1981: Flipper - ha ha ha / DOA - the prisoner / Black Flag - police story / Bad Brains - pay to c*m / Dead Kennedys - nazi punks - **** off / Circle Jerks - paid vacation / Really Red - prostitution / The Feederz - jesus entering from the rear / The Subhumans - slave to my dick // Geza X - isotope soap / BPeople - persecution, that's my song / Wounds - an object / The Offs - everyone's a bigot / Anonymous - corporate food / 1/2 Japanese - fun again / Christian Lunch - joke's on you / Voice Farm - sleep
Oh is that right? Well then why would you purposefully avoid a casino that you think singled out an entertainer who expressed a liberal belief? Remember this? Please explain, friend. This intra-argument confusion that you display does indeed argue to Manny's point about your 'arguing just to argue'. EXPOSED
She got what she deserved. She used her freedoms to speak her mind and the fans used their freedom to express their support and others to express their feelings. I was at a Bon Jovi show in early 2002 and Jon did the same crap here in Columbus and he got a mixed result (many boos and many cheers) but personally I paid to hear him sing, and his comments ruined my evening. I can promise I won't give him another dollar in ticket money but I'm sure others will. That's what it's all about. If you speak about your beleifs you're going to have some support but you're going to have some opposition as well.
What are you going to do about it, Internet tough guy - kick my ass?? Tell me how its apples and oranges though. Um, could it be that when I watch the Rockets, I don't watch Les Alexander but Yao, TMac, Jim Jackson, etc? And also maybe I don't pay money to go see Les Alexander for anything - I would just pay money to see his team play. This isn't rocket science or advanced calculus. Edit - Hell, look at your damn name !!! It's not Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio, or Tony Eusebio... For all I know you could be a celtics fan. If there was a search function maybe I would look up your posts or something, but I can't. Yes. I have wasted close to 3 years of my life with 10,000+ posts about a team that I don't even like! Or how about clicking on my user profile and see what my interests are?? Ooh, I guess you never thought about doing that, did you?
I must say this is one of the worst threads I have ever seen in the D&D. Mistake 1: We started out with an unnamed prolific poster misinterpreting the hotel's reaction. Instead of escorting her out for the comment, they were actually escorting her out for her own safety. Mistake 2: Having swung and missed on that point, the next argument went to "well I wouldn't care if my favorite singer did that". This line of thinking was directly refuted by the offending poster *previously in this very thread*. Unreal. Manny has expressed the right viewpoint here, yet has been swarmed by the unrelenting mob of angry liberals whose point was severely flawed. Look, let's make this very simple: The fans had a right to reject Ronstadt's political endorsement. They invested time and money to be entertained with music. Had they wanted politics, they could have stayed home and watched CNN or FoxNews. As we see in this very forum each and every day, liberals react negatively to conservative viewpoints. To expect conservatives in attendance at this concert to not react negatively to a liberal endorsement is just plain hypocritical. I find it amazing that this forum hasn't even taught you as much.
Oh my god, man. Are you serious? I have to assume you had a bad day, because this acrimonious rant is kind of..... crazy. I don't think I've been challenged to a fight in like 10 years. Internet tough guy, huh ??? Oh geez..... Maybe this is just the way you debate? I guess Ill refrain from asking you a question next time. You know what's really funny though ? All you had to say was, " check my interests" , and this would have been solved. I never check any of those boxes, I'm not a big "internet" guy, or internet "tough guy" for that matter. This is so silly. PEACE
Why did these conservatives find it necessary to immediately form into an unruly mob causing a concert in Las Vegas of all places to be shut down because the safety of the performer on stage was in jeopardy? Why did these conservatives want to harm a 58-year-old woman who was vocal with her political views?
Linda Rondstadt (who, by the way, dated Jerry Brown aka Governor Moonbeam for a couple years) notwithstanding... Wow, Manny. You'd walk out of a rock concert if the band expressed a political bent? How do you reconcile Floyd's take on Margaret Thatcher? How do you reconcile the fact that about half of 60s and 70s rock was politically driven (more than half if you leave out the cotton candy)? I know your tastes and a great lot of the stuff you like is written and performed by outspoken, political musicians. And a great lot of their audience was drawn to them for their take on politics. The same stuff that'd make you walk out is why a great lot of the audience bought tickets in the first place. I understand your conflict since you have a lot of conservative principles while, where the bands you like register political affiliation, it's virtually always (if not always) liberal, but jeez, you want them to just shut up and play to make you more comfortable? Should they censor their lyrics too? It's ******* rock and roll. Politics has been at the center of it since before you were born. If you want to block that out, wear earplugs to block out the lyrics (of REM, of Dylan, of Floyd, of various others you love) or don't buy the ticket in the first place. Rondstadt's one thing; the Cure quite another. Dedicating a song to Kerry would make you leave? That's just incredible.
Log off, and that will be achieved... BOTH of you. Get real. What you say, or what he says equally uses up bandwidth. That's what we're here for though, right? It's still funny to me, because I don't think ANYONE's vote is changing, perhaps only being SOLIDIFIED as a result of all of our drivel. And we think "outsiders" read this? Ummm, you gotta contribute now to join... Keep "changing America" fellow Hangout D&D posters.... Just do it here, so no one else sees it. Please. Seriously fellas... It's Linda Stinkin Ronstadt. Oooo, the big vote swayer! btw... Appearantly it was long enough of a shout out... Casino Boots Ronstadt for Praising Moore link to article Singer Linda Ronstadt not only got booed, she got the boot after praising filmmaker Michael Moore and his new movie "Fahrenheit 9/11" during a performance. Before singing "Desperado" for an encore Saturday night, Ronstadt called Moore a "great American patriot" and "someone who is spreading the truth." She also encouraged the audience at the Aladdin hotel-casino to see the documentary about President Bush. Ronstadt's comments drew loud boos, and some of the 4,500 people in attendance stormed out of the theater. People also tore down concert posters and tossed cocktails into the air. "It was a very ugly scene," Aladdin President Bill Timmins told The Associated Press. "She praised him and all of a sudden all bedlam broke loose." Timmins, who is British and was watching the show, said he didn't allow Ronstadt back in her luxury suite afterward and she was escorted off the property. Ronstadt's antics "spoiled a wonderful evening for our guests and we had to do something about it," Timmins said. Ronstadt, 58, had been booked to play the Aladdin for only one show. On Monday, Moore released a letter to The Associated Press that he intends to send to Timmins. "For you to throw Linda Ronstadt off the premises because she dared to say a few words in support of me and my film, is simply stupid and Un-American," Moore wrote. Calls to Ronstadt's manager were not immediately returned. In an interview with the Las Vegas Review-Journal before the show, Ronstadt said, "I keep hoping that if I'm annoying enough to them, they won't hire me back." Timmins said Ronstadt would not sing at the Aladdin again: "As long as I'm here, she's not going to play." Moore said Timmins owes Ronstadt an apology. "I have an idea how you can make it up to her and to the millions of Americans you have offended," Moore wrote. "Invite her back and I'll join her in singing 'America the Beautiful' on your stage. Then I will show 'Fahrenheit 9/11' free of charge to all your guests and anyone else in Las Vegas who wants to see it." They don't understand the term "private property" do they? If I was hired to flip burgers at Mickey D's and I tell all the customers at once to "vote Bush" I could get fired for that as well... because that's not my job, and it's private property and the right of the owner to can me for insubordination... much less started a partially riotous scene... Also... Moore is a big dork... quote me on that. Timmins IS NOT an American anyway... He's British, so what does he care, it's HIS club... Carry on.... diatribe away.
I was wondering when I got up this morning if anyone else was going to give me a hard time for what I said earlier in this thread and I see Batman's post, so I will address it. Batman, I don't know if you have ever heard that I like my music based on how the MUSIC sounds - not the lyrics. Seriously, I have never gotten into any artist for their lyrics and that includes Dylan. I have always bought my stuff for how the music sounds which lyrics is a part of. Now when I go to the trouble of paying money and taking time out of my life to see an artist live in person, I feel that there is a "personal" connection to be made between me and the artist. That connection is ruined, IMO, if the artist decides that this is the perfect time and venue to tell people how they feel about politics. It is like my personal space is violated. Maybe I am in the minority on this, but all I want to do is enjoy good music. I know that there are problems out in the world, but do you think the last thing I want to hear at a concert is how messed up things are? If I wanted to, I would have stayed home and watched CNN or better yet go watch the propaganda piece of crap by Moore. So, be incredulous all you want - I really don't understand why it is that hard to fathom. And even though I admit that the Floyd example was a good one ("Pigs" is a great song), Roger Waters is a little crazy, to say the least . Anyway, I really didn't want to post any more in this thread as I see it accomplishing nothing but problems. However, I like you, Batman, thus the need for one last post but once again, it is like people are expecting for me to "magically" change my view or stance on this - it is not going to happen.
