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Lay off Rudy

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by MadMonk, Feb 12, 2003.

  1. MadMonk

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    From the AP recap of today's game -

    "We had a great effort,'' Rockets coach Rudy Tomjanovich said. We made a few mental mistakes. <b>At the end, we were supposed to foul, force them to make free throws and go after rebounds and we didn't.</b>''

    Rudy did call for a foul at the end but the players didn't pull it off so the heat on him is not justified.
     
  2. feishen

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    How come I didnt see any intension from Rox what so ever to foul on that play, Malone got ball with nobody even around him, nobody was guarding Matt Harping after he inbounded? What did Rudy draw up for them on that board during timeout?
     
  3. Old Man Rock

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    Because are players are stupid sometimes. Let's face it we may have some great athletes but we don't have the smartest ones. Utah is far superior than us in that category.

    Still this is one loss I do blame on the coach because even though he did call for the foul and even though he was screaming on the sidelines to foul before the shot, they still did not execute his strategy. Which means to me the players are not listening to him and somehow he is not getting through them. And the sad thing is I thought Steve and Yao played one of their best games together with the right amount of inside out play. It's just that the rest of the Rockets couldn't hit anything.

    Sad Night. The playoffs look to be slipping away fast.
     
  4. luckystrikes

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    Probably because Rudy didn't call for the players to foul. He just said that because it was an after sight. He just doesn't want to sound like a moron, so he's told the Rudy lovers what they wanted to hear.

    Keep in mind, John Q. Public, or those that don't know basketball well, will say it's the players that didn't do what they were supposed to do. We here at the BBS know a little better don't we. Nice job Rudy, but we see through you. :p
     
  5. DCkid

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    OMG! So you expect that a team should execute the coach's strategy perfectly on every play? Keep dreaming. I guess if the same words were coming out of Larry Brown or someone else's mouth the Rockets would have won the game. :rolleyes:
     
  6. TheFreak

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    Too funny.

    Rudy sweats blood for this organization for 30 years, and this is the kind of respect he gets. He automatically gets blamed ahead of the knucklehead players who haven't done a thing yet. Welcome to Houston I guess.
     
  7. montgo

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    Welcome to Houston...come on kids....if this team were in LA, New York, Chicago, Seattle or any other major NBA city....they would have Rudy's head on a stick!!! We are soft on our team compared to those cities. Bottomline: the players are not responding at all. there is a disconnect happening consistently this year. Unfortunately, you really cannot get rid of all the players, so you have to think that there is something between the coaches and players....could it be the assistants not coaching enough, could it be the lack of NBA experience in the coaching ranks (in the assistants), could it be the lack of fundamentalism (see unable to defend the pick with at least minimal effort), could it be the head coach, could it be the players.

    Since communication is two way and about listening and sharing....we can make the assumption that NO ONE IS COMMUNICATING EFFECTIVELY THIS YEAR BETWEEN COACHES AND PLAYERS!

    SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE
     
  8. heypartner

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    This is absolutely absurd. Rudy rarely ever says a player (by name) messed up at the end. I say "rarely" because I'm assuming it might have happened once, but for the life of me I can't recall any time that Rudy has ever pointed fingers at a specific player on a specific play. Rudy has no ego. That is why he is regarded as a player's coach. Rudy does not do what you are excused of him doing.

    It is absurd to accuse him of lying that it was a player's fault. Lying!! You accused a player's coach of lying about fault!! simply absurd.

    If Rudy has to go, he will go. He won't need to be fired. He didn't want the job to begin with. He has always and will always measure his career choices based on what is best for the Rockets.

    Say you want him to step down all you want, but don't call him a liar!

    "we see through you Rudy" :rolleyes:
     
  9. verse

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    heypee:


    rudy lied.



    explain how we weren't even picking up man to man on that inbounds play. if your intention was to foul immediately, you have everyone covering tight man 2 man. hell, we weren't even lined up that way! we were sagging off of them!!

    and explain yao saying he "didn't know if he could foul" malone on that play. i think if he were told TO fould malone that he would know he COULD foul malone.

    doesn't everyone in the f*cking nba know that the most dangerous person on an inbounds play is the f*cking inbounder???!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

    we weren't even set up properly on that play and, frankly, if rudy would have seen that they were not lined up properly, he had ample opportunity to call an IMMEDIATE timeout.

    also, i find it interesting that hot rod hundley knew that rudy was not going to have his players foul. announcers frequently try to listen in to huddles to hear what is going to happen.

    i find this MUCH MORE plausible than that load of crap rudy said. he just told a lie that no one can definitively disprove.
     
  10. luckystrikes

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    Thank you verse.

    What is Rudy freaking Mother Theresa? He knows his "coaching" is under the gun. He made a really bad choice in not choosing to foul on the last play. He either lied about calling the play, (hence the total lack of any effort what so ever to foul, or even play man to man) or, the players completely ignore him. Either way you look at it, it’s really really really bad. I don't care whether or not he called for the foul; all that I care about is that it didn't happen.

    So liar or puss, you decide for yourself
     
  11. Old Man Rock

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    Hey Kid,
    If you read some of my other post you would know that I have no problem with Rudy. In fact I think he is doing a more than adequate job given his circumstances stilll if there is one thing I can find some fault with him is not getting his players to execute his schemes and strategies... and in the end that is his responsibility. If the players aren't execute his game plan than yank them and put someone in there that will. If the execute it poorly thats one thing but if they don't even attempt to as it appeared last night than he needs to find another way to get his point across or find someone who will listen to him. Stilll Rudy is the coach that I believe long term will lead this team to a championship.
     
  12. Old Man Rock

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    Verse you are just a straight up Rudy hater and you can start post that try to say otherwise. but you can't help but let it ooze out cause it is in your veins... So instead of calling Rudy a liar which your weak explanation doesnot validate just say I don't like the guy and I can't wait till he gets canned.

    Oh by the way don't hold your breath.
     
  13. verse

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    Old Man Rock:

    *sigh*


    i don't hate rudy. i just recognize his deficiencies.


    he is a great, great coach for self-sufficient veteran teams.

    he is a terrible teacher for young teams in need of firm guidance.


    unless you want to contribute to this conversation, feel free to crawl back under that rock...
     
  14. heypartner

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    No he didn't.

    The man has no ego and is a consummate players coach who does not use the media to protect himself...ever...much less at the expense of his players. That's what guys like Pat Riley, Rick Pitino, and Phil Jackson do.

    You are suggesting something completely out of character for Rudy, and, further, you by extension are saying that Jonathan Feigen fell for it (who sits within earshot of the bench, right?), and Fran Blinebury fell for it.

    yeah right.
     
  15. austinrocket

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    lay off crack
     
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    Oh, I get it. Yao Ming and Terence Morris think to themselves; you know, screw that, I'm not fouling no matter what Rudy says.

    :rolleyes:
     
  17. haven

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    I like the way that HP and OMR respond to Verse's basketball arguments with personal defenses of Rudy's character.

    Come on... what the man's saying makes sense. Why not respond to it directly, instead of offering lame excuses?
     
  18. heypartner

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    I'm pretty sure that the opposing announcers are on the other side of press row. I'm also pretty sure than Jonathan Feigen is the one within earshot.

    wrong. Fran Blinebury and Jonathan Feigen are in position to disprove it.

    You whole conspiracy theory is based on Rudy doing something that he has never done before...ie, lying about a player by name to protect his ego. It isn't for us or Fran or Feigen to prove; it is for you to prove. You can't prove it. So, shut up. Rudy is not a liar.
     
  19. dskillz

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    I have to put my .02 in. I feel like the Rockets need a new coach, but for a different reason as most of you. I think that Rudy is smart and a good coach. But I do feel like the players are not responding to him anymore. Rudy is coaching, but they are not respsonding to him. That is a sign a new coach is needed.
     
  20. heypartner

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    umm, verse is calling Rudy a liar. That is a personal assault to Rudy's character. Speaking of past character displays by Rudy is entirely appropriate.

    verse is not making sense, and there are many people looking to replace Rudy who have chimed in, in the other thread.

    And I have responding to it directly. It is a crock of ****. Jonathan Feigen sits within earshot, and Rudy stands right in front of him during plays. It is Feigen who would be closer to the huddle than the opposing announcers.
     

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