Why are you comparing a cop being an ******* to a pilot flying a plane into a mountain. Pay attention, I was referring to judoka's experiences with LE. Even if you didn't understand that I was referring to a cop being a jerk
They might. But that has nothing to do with anything about them doing a good job. I responded to you talking about cops having a bad day and how they're mostly good as a rationalization for ignoring the issues.
I was referring to the doctor types of examples Judoka stated in his personal experience. I was responding to a specific post. You think every instance of a cop being a jerk requires a congressional inquiry?
What an odd question. That isn't anything that anyone purposed or has championed. Why do you ask? Is that what you beleive?
I don't have a problem with you saying cops having a bad day, or even cops having a bad day. I do have a problem with excusing cops behavior based on the idea that they have bad days.
Again I'm referring to them being jerks for the millionth freakin time. Go read the post I responded to and Judoka's encounters and let it it go. Good lord. If you do have a problem with just accepting people can be jerks and think they should be held accountable then you're exactly a perfect example of the point of the thread.
not to interject myself into this convo, but I get that people want to give cops a break or benefit of the doubt because (1) they serve an essential societal need, (2) their jobs are dangerous, and (3) most people were brought up to look up to police as good guys. Without dismissing the foregoing, particularly 1 and 2, you should also recognize that trust in the police is understandably low in some communities because of a combination of their personal experiences and the glaring examples of outright criminal and racist behavior that has cost people their lives or irreparably damaged them. As a society, we have to recognize both perspectives as very real and legitimate FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PERSON WHO HOLDS THOSE VIEWS, and then work to reconcile them and address the issues rather than deny them or attempt to minimize. The denial and attempts to minimize are problematic because they seek to invalidate the opposing perspective. Likewise, dismissing any proposals or attempts to improve the situation as being anti cop or pro crime is likewise counterproductive. As an example, you've got @Commodore posting crap about alleged alternatives to defunding the police, like zero bail, etc. That’s just noise intended to distort, make people mad, make people unable to see the issue. And the issue up is quite simple. Can we improve policing? Of course we can. What can we do to improve policing? Mechanisms for improving job performance, for review, accountability and enforcement? If your perspective is that law enforcement is doing the best job it can, it’s imperfect but let’s move on and not bother, then that’s what it is and there isn’t much to debate. If your perspective is to discuss what are reasonable measures to undertake, that’s a good conversation.
A cop was a jerk. That's most people's experience that have a bad police interaction. The perception left drives the overall rhetoric of the systematic racism etc talk. That's really the point in my response. Oh yeah a cop was a jerk to my dad ten years ago, I walk around fearing becoming the next George Floyd
I think internal investigation should be done by state and federal groups. You can't expect police to police their own. Secondly, I would do all I can to reduce the power of police unions.
You go to a lot of problems to justify things that shouldn't be justified. Your rationalizations defy logical rationalization.
No I just knowo they are not robots and being a jerk one day isn't cause for corrective action. I didn't justify ****. I just think its no reason to be like you're harping on it then have nerve to say my question is odd You harping on it lying saying I'm justifying it
I understand that you are very sensitive. I try to be cognizant of that. Your question was odd because nobody was asking for congressional hearings for every incident. Far from lying, almost every post in this thread and multiple other threads attempts to deny the racist actions of multiple law enforcement agencies.
Where did I deny racist actions by an agency? Another lie. I was being sarcastic because you want cops reprimanded for being jerks This stupid ass exchange started on my response to judoka's experience where nothing was illegal or racist I understand your obsession with arguing with me so you make up ish that I wrote Then I said profiling was wrong but I justify racism?
That would be amazing if we had that power We’d destroy our enemies And put fear into the people who want to beef us
I hardly see anything I said as talking ****. Yes doctors and nurses are putting their lives on the line, check their moral during this pandemic and see. Cops chose their field they can work to improve their moral or change careers. Maybe new cops won't be beholden to the thin blue line I pay taxes and cops server a purpose in society. So of course I'll call a cop if I need one. Just like I'd call the fire department if I needed them. But I also take precautions and protect myself and property (and I keep a fire extinguisher handy as well) I can call the police to take a report later if needed. I'm clean cut, white and educated. of course all of my experiences with cops have been fair to better than fair. Doesn't stop me from realizing the militarization of the police force and the war on drugs have had a huge negative impact on society specifically those who look differently than me in a cops eyes. Didn't stop me from turning in my bigoted racist cousin who was 30 years HPD. I know that ******* never gave anyone of color any chance. Like to think his quick retirement saved some people from his hatred for anyone who wasn't white and well off. I believe we need to reform the way police interact with society. They need better training and to get back to protecting and serving. Profiling and oppressing need to be a thing of the past. We need social workers (or trained cops) to take mental illness and domestic calls along side the PD. Violence and arrest needs to be a last resorts not first options.
Yes. Reallocation of funding away from military style operations and put that money into new officer and better training. Yeah no golden ticket or wand to wave. Hope things get better in Minny. Be safe.
