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Lamont or Lieberman ?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by dc rock, Aug 8, 2006.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    Poor policy decisions on the part of Israel, Israeli expansionism, and the ongoing tensions with Syria, and other groups in the region.
     
  2. geeimsobored

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    Looks like Joe-mentum got stalled a bit. Someone hacked his website, and Lieberman's guys say it was someone from lamont's camp...

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060808...aTJ76Mv;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

    Lieberman campaign says Web site hacked

    By SUSAN HAIGH, Associated Press Writer 46 minutes ago

    HARTFORD, Conn. - Democratic Sen.
    Joe Lieberman, who was locked in a battle with an anti-war challenger in the nation's most closely watched primary race Tuesday, accused his opponent's supporters of hacking his campaign Web site and e-mail system.

    Lieberman campaign manager Sean Smith said the campaign has contacted the Connecticut attorney general's office and asked for a criminal investigation by state and federal authorities.

    Campaigning Tuesday in New Haven, Lieberman said he has no proof that Ned Lamont's supporters are responsible, but is asking state party chairman to intervene.

    "I'm concerned that our Web site is knocked out on the day of the primary, you'd assume it wasn't any casual observer," Lieberman said.

    Lamont, campaigning early Tuesday afternoon in Bridgeport, said he knew nothing about the accusations. "It's just another scurrilous charge," he said.

    A spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's office declined immediate comment. Calls placed to the
    FBI and the chief state's attorney's office seeking comment were not immediately returned.

    Smith said the site began having problems Monday night and crashed for good at 7 a.m.

    "Voters cannot go to our Web site. They cannot access information," Smith said. "It is a deliberate attempt to disenfranchise voters."

    Elections also were being held Tuesday in Colorado, Missouri, Michigan and Georgia. In Georgia, Rep. Cynthia McKinney, who made headlines this year for a scuffle with a U.S. Capitol Police officer, faced a runoff for her district's Democratic nomination.

    A new poll showed the race tightening between Lieberman and Lamont, with Lamont holding a slight lead. Lieberman has said he will run as an independent in the fall if defeated in the primary.

    Lamont, the millionaire owner of a cable television company, held a slight lead of 51 percent to 45 percent over Lieberman among likely Democratic voters, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released Monday.

    The telephone poll of 784 likely Democratic primary voters, conducted from July 31 to Aug. 6, has a sampling error margin of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

    Jack Ellovich said he voted for Lieberman, citing the three-term senator's experience.

    "He's already got the standing in the Senate," said Ellovich, after casting his vote at a downtown Hartford precinct. "I think he can get stuff done for Connecticut and I don't think Lamont really knows how the system works."

    Others, however, say they were swayed by the 2000 vice presidential candidate's support for the
    Iraq war, saying he is too close to Republicans and
    President Bush.

    "I'm completely for Lamont because of the war issue. I'm totally disgusted with Lieberman and his positions. I think he sold us out," teacher William Clement, 57, said after casting his vote for Lamont in Hartford's west end.

    "He's more like Bush than anything else. I think he's his little puppet," voter Raymond Deauchemn, 55, said in Norwich.

    If defeated, Lieberman would be only the fourth incumbent senator since 1980 to lose a primary election.

    Lieberman said he believes voters are coming back to him.

    "I feel they were flirting with the other guy for a while, wanting to send me a message," he said Monday during a stop at a restaurant in Hartford. "I got their message. I think they want to send me back to Washington to continue working with them, fighting for them, and delivering for Connecticut."

    The race attracted tremendous interest, both in Connecticut and nationally. Secretary of the State Susan Bysiewicz said she expected turnout Tuesday of 40 percent, much higher than the 25 percent that is typical of state primaries.

    More than 14,000 Connecticut voters switched their registration from unaffiliated to Democrat to vote in the primary, while another 14,000 new voters registered as Democrats, according to state statistics.

    "People want change and people like what they hear from Ned," said Liz Dupont-Diehl, Lamont's campaign spokeswoman.

    Some argue the GOP would be better off if Lieberman wins, on the theory that anti-war activists would become discouraged and stay home in November.

    Others argue that Republicans will be better off if Lamont prevails. That way, the argument goes, they can try to win over voters by telling them the Democrats have been taken over by an anti-war fringe and can't be trusted to protect the nation's security.

    In other primaries Tuesday:

    _In Colorado's heavily conservative 5th District, voters chose among six GOP candidates to succeed retiring Republican Rep. Joel Hefley (news, bio, voting record), a 10-year veteran. The winner will face Democratic Air Force veteran Jay Fawcett. In another race, three Democrats competed to replace U.S. Rep. Bob Beauprez (news, bio, voting record), the Republican nominee for governor.

    _Michigan Republican Rep. Joe Schwarz faced a serious challenge from former state lawmaker Tim Walberg. Schwarz, a moderate Republican, was backed by President Bush, Arizona Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record) and the National Rifle Association. But the race was dominated by a struggle over GOP principles. Outside groups have spent more than $1 million on the race.

    _Missouri Republican Sen. Jim Talent (news, bio, voting record) and Democratic challenger Claire McCaskill, the state auditor, were expected to win their party's primaries. Voters will also decide whether to renew a 22-year-old sales tax to fund state parks and other conservation initiatives.
     
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    Latest Results 11:03 PM ET Candidates Votes % of Votes

    Joseph I. Lieberman 131,491 48.1%
    ............Ned Lamont 141,623 51.9%

    97% of Precincts Reporting




    http://www.nytimes.com/

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    Have no worries, it's still a mandate.

    Keep us updated, deck!
     
  6. dc rock

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    What happened to the Dailykos website? That's where I was checking the results ( and the reactions of those that are emotionally invested in this race).
     
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    Will do! I'm editing the results as I get them. It's pretty tight. :)



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  8. dc rock

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    There is live (local) Connecticut coverage on C-Span.
     
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    Lieberman Concedes to Lamont in Conn. Race

    With more than 90 percent of precincts reporting in the closely watched primary, Lamont has 51.6 percent, Lieberman trails with 48.4 percent.

    -William Branigin 10:54 p.m. ET

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/


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  10. tigermission1

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    I am glad he lost, the Dems need some new blood...
     
  11. Mulder

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    Later Lieb...
     
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    It's kind of sad, really. Lieberman was an early champion of civil rights in his youth, and devoted a large part of his life to the Democratic Party. In my opinion, he fell victim to hubris. Lieberman believed that he knew better than the Democrats of his home state, and that they would vote for him regardless of what he said about the war in Iraq and Bush. Had he been more circumspect about his actions, and especially if he had not proclaimed that he would run as an independent candidate, regardless of the results in the primary, he might have pulled out a tight race.

    Regardless of what some may think around here, I respected Joe Lieberman. It remains for him to pull out of a possible run as an independent, while he still has some dignity. The Democratic establishment, which was behind him despite his active support for Bush and his statements criticizing those who spoke out against Bush's war in Iraq, will now join ranks with Lamont, who I think will win in November, whether Joe runs or not.

    Adios, Joe. You should have paid more attention to your longtime supporters.



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  13. dc rock

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    Lamont's post-primary victory speech was terrible. I hope he brings in a few more professionals.
     
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    Agreed. Which is why I have no sympathy for the pompous douchebag.
     
  15. glynch

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    He put himself and his neocon devotion to war above his constituents. Sadly this type of Democrat makes none of the other Demcoratic issues, such as health care, education and public services available. I believe he voted for the Bush tax give backs--with all our money going for war and tax breaks.A Democrat in his youth, but in name only in recent years.

    Maybe Bush can reward him with a position in his adminnistration. Maybe minister of war. Joe might even get to speak at the next GOP Convention as a turn coat Democrat.
     
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    Oh c'mon... both Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were up on stage with him!
     
  17. giddyup

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    Did you notice how Lieberman referred to himself as an Independent Democrat in the upcoming election?
     
  18. FranchiseBlade

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    Yeah, but they obviously didn't write his speech for him. They should help him out with that next time.

    The good news is that Lieberman lost. He paid for his misguided support for Bush and the Iraq war.
     
  19. pgabriel

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    lieberman represents a large shift I think of the old civil rights leaders of the past who have grown more conservative. the yuppie generation that got rich and became conservative.
     
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    Liberman is really quite liberal, he just supported the war, and that is enough for me, and it would seem the Dems of CT, to say bye bye.
     

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