MManal Ah, you're right. I have extreme doubts about Webber coming here, though . ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
Actually mitch Kupchec Lakers GM is Looking to Trade our 3 mill Trade Excemption to get into the Draft, There was a littlr Article on that, So i'm pretty sure we can use the Trade Excemption like that. I'll try and look for te Article ------------------
Im sure he wouldnt mind getting a ring. ------------------ "I would like to live forever, because we should not live forever, because if we were ever supposed to live forever, then we would live forever, but we cannot live forever, which is why I would not live forever." -Miss Alabama in the 1994 Miss Universe contest
Lakeshow, you'll find that the trade exemption is pretty worthless. We had one here a while back and did nothing with it, despite all our plans. Ditto to Indiana before us. The only way the exemption may help is if your team is willing to take on "mistake" contracts like Cato or Jim McIlvane. ------------------ Bingbong was set up, led to an untimely death in the prime of his life for no other reason than pure malice. Things like that do not go unavenged. Sometimes it spills out onto the field of play.
Horry + Devin George = Walt + Cato + 22 I'd do that GLADLY [Dreamcasting] Horry = Cato + 22 I'd do this Horry = Walt + 22 I'd do this Rocket River ------------------
SamCassell, Trade exceptions aren't worthless. They are very valuable in sign and trades to eliminate the need to have a third team involved. You know all those headaches about how base-yr compensation players make trades difficult, exceptions help with that. CD once shared your disinterest in them, but later said he is learning more how flexible they can be. It is just that their value is just as high to let them expire into less team salary, like we did to go after Webber this year. We chose to let it expire rather than just spend that money for the sake of using it. Since we are going to be below the cap, I'd certainly take LA's trade exception off their hands, and then renounce it, thus cashing it in for more cap room. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited May 31, 2001).]
Here's one that works with last years salaries according to RealGM: Houston sends Cato/LOS/#22 pick to LA. LA sends Horry to Houston. I know we can opt out on LOS outright, but by doing this trade we send out $7.6 mill & take back $5.1 mill in salary(not counting the value of the #22 pick). We actually acquire an extra half million in cap relief & we get rid of Cato. LA could then opt out on LOS or keep him. LOS's salary had to be included because of Cato's BYC status. Now, if we can only convince LA of the GREAT POTENTIAL of Cato. ------------------
make it a fudruckers burger or becksprime... and i'll sign.... ------------------ "Wahooo"-homer I'm not only a fan but I'm also the bartender at clutchcity chat For the last time I'm not Tybrave!!!!!
Actually mitch Kupchec Lakers GM is Looking to Trade our 3 mill Trade Excemption to get into the Draft, There was a littlr Article on that, So i'm pretty sure we can use the Trade Excemption like that. Nope. You can't just outright trade the exception. A team only gets a trade exception for the amount that they trade down. The trade exception does allow you to take back extra salary, which could possibly create an exception for the other team. The problem with the trade scenarios that you described is that there's not much difference in the salaries being exchanged, so little or no trade exception is created. Here's a quote from the Coon FAQ: A team receives this credit when it is over the cap and makes a trade in which it takes on less salary than it gives up. Whatever the salary difference is, plus $100,000, is the credit that the team may use towards a future trade. http://www.members.home.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#64 ------------------
what do you want to do? make us fat ------------------ Agent [This message has been edited by Agent86 (edited May 31, 2001).]
If I were Carroll Dawson, I would give up the #22 pick to get out from under Cato's contract. ------------------ Bingbong was set up, led to an untimely death in the prime of his life for no other reason than pure malice. Things like that do not go unavenged. Sometimes it spills out onto the field of play.
We need to stop being hysterical over Cato. He didn't perform well last year (ooh, what an understatement), but IMO he could be a very solid player if somehow Rudy can motivate him. If we carelessly give him away to the Lakers, he would become a killer PF and everyone on the Left Coast would laugh all the way to the championship again. Send Cato to the East but not to the Lakers! ------------------
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Horry has an out in his contract. That would allow him to sign with another team or renegotiate: The decision is Horry's because he has a chance to opt out of his contract at the end of the season. He has two years remaining on the deal at $5.3 million each, and the Lakers have an option for the 2003-2004 season That was from the Fran Blinebury article oh chron.com Count me as one of the people who would love to have Horry back. He should be a star right now, but it was hard with Dream in Houston, Danny Ainge getting towels thrown at him in Phoenix, and Shaq and Kobe in La. Things made it hard for him. Oh well, I really want to be able to say Welcome back Robert ------------------
Horry is under contract so I don't see how the Lakers could lose him for "nothing". They would have to trade him. Horry can opt out of his deal this offseason. ------------------
The rockets should have put tighter performance clauses in Cato's contract. I bet that if the contract requires Cato to average 10ppg, 8.5rpg and 2.3bpg than he gets 100% of contract amount. Anything less would result in percentage of the $ amount to come down (i.e. - 8ppg, 7.0rpg and 1.5bpg, he loses 15% of that annual pay). I bet that would motivate his a$$. ------------------ "...Do you hear 'em? They're everywhere!!! AAAHHH!!!" That's what the other teams will be saying after being shellshocked by Steve Francis and Co.
I'm glad someone else is echoing this sentiment. I was laughed at for saying Shaq & Cato would be twin towers even San Antonio couldn't compete with. I don't mind shopping Cato around, but the last team we want to help out is the Lakers. ------------------ Founding Father of the Refs Suck Club
Horry/3 mill trade Excemption for Anderson/22nd pick You can then use the 3 mill Trade excemption to help sign Webber. You can't just trade an exception. The traded player exception just allows the Lakers to take back up to $3M worth of salary more than they would normally be allowed. So, for the Lakers to use any part of the trade exception, then they have to be taking back more salary than they are giving up. The trade exception that the Rockets would receive would be the amount of salary that was traded down (i.e. Williams salary - Horry's salary) and that would be almost nothing. The only way that Houston could end up with a $3M trade exception, would be to trade the Lakers around $8M in salary. Also, a trade exception can only be used in a trade, so it wouldn't help us sign a FA like Webber. ------------------
There's nothing here for the Rockets. They can sign Horry outright. There's absolutely no point in giving up the #22 pick and Anderson, a possible trade-commodity. Great deal for the Lakers though . ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
Yeah it would. That trade exception would convert to pure cap space if we renounced all the players that many have been saying we could. You know, that whole "if we drop below the cap by an amount equal to the combined value of our exceptions" thingy. Not only that, we can renounce the trade exception to free more cap room.
