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Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Rockets34Legend, Jun 1, 2004.

  1. real_egal

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    I just don't get it, why people are so quick to write Detriots off? They split the road games with Lakers. What's so wrong with that? Yes, they had a great chance to win tonight, but please don't forget the Lakers IS a strong team, and they have two best players in the game. Are you seriously thinking Laker would get swept? I just can't stand it, before the series started, so many people are saying what can the leastern conference do, they never had a chance; after game one, all on the Pistons bandwagon, Lakers is just too old, Pistons have great chance; after today's game, prediction of their collapse again. Can you guys just watch and enjoy the game? If you ever watched Pistons play, you should have known they are defensive oriented, and tough minded. They normally don't have blow-out games, but they are not going away either. They are very constant. Yes, defence wins championships. Bulls' rings were not won by scoring 120 points a game. A 125-120 game is a bad game, neither team had any chance, just look at Dallas and Kings. You don't like Lakers, never watched Pistons or hate lestern conference, that's ok. But just be realistic, and watch the games. They are playing a great serie. I can not stand this menopause like mood swings.
     
  2. DavidS

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    :rolleyes: It's ok....really. Be happy -> :D
     
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    this one was a right call... Kobe was trying to block Rip with no success..he was out of position,...he was late getting into position because he lost track of Rip
     
  4. aaaa

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    Ok, now that i've slept it off, i'm not as pissed as before (haha).

    At least the good thing about this is, it's been a pretty exciting series so far (ok, game 1 might be boring for some, but any win against lakers is good for me.). The first two games have been more memorable than the past few finals (sorry New Jersey Nets). Hope the trend continues and we see games like these. Hope it doesn't turn into the Sixers-Lakers finals in 2001, where the Lakers won 4 straight after losing the first game.
     
  5. MadMax

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    stupid lakers!!!!!!!! :mad:
     
  6. KeepKenny

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    Pretty sad that Luke Walton was a bigger impact player than malone last night. more funny than sad, really.
     
  7. Rockets34Legend

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    5 Factors that lost the game:

    NUMBER 1 REASON: Why in the HELL they didn't foul Shaq on the last inbounds in regulation before the Kobe shot? That's still mind boggling.

    2) Rasheed should of had the ball more to take down that Jazzhole Malone.
    3) Billups should of had more shots than Hamilton.
    4) Prince should of stepped up the defense on Kobe...but can only do so much.
    5) Lindsey Hunter subbing for Billups playing critical minutes that screwed up the offense for the Pistons.
     
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  8. ragingFire

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    Yeah, IF the lakers win the series, Malone will have a lot of A. to kiss for giving him his ring!
     
  9. Easy

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    Not just Shaq, they should have fouled ANYBODY who touched the ball. A two shot foul would only get the Lakers within one. Then they would have to foul. The Pistons could choose the best FT shooter to get the inbound. After the Pistons finished the FTs, the Lakers had to take the ball the full length of the court with less than 10 sec. (they were out of TO).

    That's what I thought too. Sheed was destroying Malone in the post 3 straight possessions. Why the heck did they stop milking it until the Lakers found an answer?

    I think they should have put Prince on Kobe on that last shot. Prince is quicker than Hamilton. All you have to do is stick to Kobe beyond the 3pt line without fearing his driving to the hoop. In fact, they should double team Kobe and leave either Malone or Shaq alone. These two weren't going to shoot 3s. Leave a one man zone near the paint to deny a quick 2pt slam. When the clock is down to 5 sec., you don't even have to stay under the basket. Let them score 2 points.

    All in all, Larry Brown's poor coaching decisions down the stretch lost the game.
     
  10. Desert Scar

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    Well put Easy and NWO. Detriot and Brown looked incompetent the last minute (plus OT). They play strategy correctly, the Lakers at best get a half courter to tie, and given the Lakers were dumb enough to throw it to Shaq, fouling him (never unlikely he makes both an dvery likely Billips makes both) probably puts the game out of reach even with a desperation half court 3 pointer.
     
  11. Rockets34Legend

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    Is it just me or was this game scripted?

    Seconds left, passed to Kobe, desperation 3, swish to send it to OT. Then the momentum swing and the Lakers rejoice.

    Makes me want to puke.
     
  12. GRENDEL

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    Let's look at the bright side here. I have almost a full day to let out all my anger and I think I'm ready to look at facts.

    Fact 1: Pistons got a split

    Fact 2: Faker never controlled the game

    Fact 3: Pistons know they can win on the Fake show's home floor.

    If I were Larry Brown I would drive this into his players heads, the can beat this team and I personally think they will, Fake show will come back from Aurburn Hills down 3-2 and the Pistons will win in LA. Just be patient everybody.
     
  13. ivanyy2000

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    And it is not exciting anymore, it is sick, sick, sick.
     
  14. The_Yoyo

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    Actually they showed a replay of phil during the entire kobe play he was looking over and it really looked like he mouthed teh word '****' then had this HUGE sigh of relief on his face and you could tell all he was really thinking was 'damn my 'great' coaching did it again' it was my great coaching that made jordan who he was and kobe who he is today.'

    seriously phil didnt do jack i bet in that timeout other than telling the lakers you dont have a timeout just get the freaking ball in and give it to kobe
     
  15. DavidS

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    You are right. I've never seen Phil so nervous as this time. He knows that his players are running out of steam to keep holding on to this title year after year; Shaqs foot/knee, Kobe's sholder, Malone's knee, Fish's Knee, Fox's whole body, and Payton's big mouth! :D
     
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    Prince was guarding Kobe on the last play until he got switched off due to a pick....
     
  17. Hmm

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    If THAT was scripted, then so was Jordan's supposed "last game" playoff victory over Utah. Jordan too had a lot of those expected er "scripted", seconds left, passed to Jordan, desperation shot and swish. Again, not saying Kobe is Jordan or comparing him. I've said, the ONLY thing that he has that reminds me of MJ, is that unbelievable "pull amazing shots out of your a$$ on a consistent basis" clutch.

    If you were serious, doubt it was scripted. If it was, then Kobe must have the ability to make those akward three point shots at will.
     
  18. Lil Pun

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    And Jordan pushed off Russell on that last shot and should have been charged a foul. I don't care how big a superstar you are you should never receive special treatment from the refs!
     
  19. Rockets34Legend

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    Here's DA to prove Larry Brown's mistake in the waning seconds:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2004/columns/story?columnist=aldridge_david&id=1818739

    LOS ANGELES -- Here's where Pound for Pound has to earn his loot.

    Rasheed Wallace calls Larry Brown "Pound for Pound." I thought it was in reference to "pound for pound, the best coach out there," although 'Sheed says it simply is a reflection of the man's initials, LB. As in, you know, pound.

    See, I think Larry Brown is the greatest basketball coach currently walking this earth. There is no situation, no team, no time in which you wouldn't want him on your sidelines drawing up sets and trying to get your team to play the right way. ("Play the right way" is Brown's mantra, his shorthand for basketball played the Dean Smith Way. It should be on Brown's tombstone.) And for about 90 of the first 96 minutes of the Finals, P4P has been a step ahead of Phil Jackson. He's had his Pistons ready to play and he's adjusted brilliantly on the fly.

    But there is no sugarcoating this: Brown made a mistake, it says here, in the waning seconds of Game 2. And as a result, he's going to have to do his greatest coaching job in the 48 hours his guys aren't on the floor, between Game 2 and Game 3.

    With Detroit up three with 10.9 seconds left in regulation on Tuesday, Brown surely knew that the Lakers, after dawdling with the ball in the backcourt before calling timeout, had no choice but to hoist up a long-distance rock. And onto the court for L.A. walked Kobe Bryant, Luke Walton, Karl Malone ... and Shaquille O'Neal. O'Neal, of the one career 3-pointer in 20 attempts. O'Neal, the career 53.4 percent free-throw shooter.

    But surely, the Diesel was on the floor simply to set a screen for Kobe or Fisher, or maybe even Walton, who'd hit a three earlier in the game and was playing out of his mind. And then, Malone inbounded the ball ... to O'Neal! If ever a player was on a floor with a neon sign around his neck flashing Foul Me! Foul Me! (and don't forget the $4.99 buffet from 4-6 p.m. in the Palmetto Lounge), it was Shaq.

    But O'Neal was allowed to catch the ball and hand it off to Luke Walton, who got it to Kobe, who ... well, you know.

    "We talked about" fouling O'Neal, Brown said. "But I didn't think they were going to throw it to him. ... We talked about if they threw it inside, yeah, Shaq gets it, put him on the line. But I don't want to take a chance like that."

    LB. You could probably assume in that situation that if Shaq catches the ball outside the 3-point line -- Shaq, the career 5-percent 3-point shooter -- he's not going to turn around and fire. He's looking to pass. Probably to Bryant. Almost certainly to Bryant. Who else but Bryant?

    Said Ben Wallace: "I thought about it ... but that's a shot we have to live with."

    Of course, Wallace should have fouled him. But players, in this situation, are allergic to the idea of making contact. Their instinct is to stay away; no one wants to give a team three free ones that could tie the game. This is where a coach has to come in and overpower their uncertainty. He has to say, "This is the right thing to do. Foul Shaq if he touches the ball at all."

    My colleague Fred Carter convinced me of the rightness of this strategy. If, up three, you foul the opponent and put them on the line, even if they make both free throws, you're still ahead by a point -- and you have the basketball. In this situation, the Lakers would have to give a quick foul and put the Pistons on the line -- and Detroit has excellent free-throw shooters in Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince and Lindsey Hunter. 'Sheed has knocked them down at better than 76 percent in the postseason, too. You make your two free throws, they get the ball -- and you foul them again. As long as you make your free throws -- and in 10 seconds, there wouldn't have been but so many -- you win. But under no circumstances do you let a team down three get off a 3-pointer.

    Brown doesn't think much of Hack-a-Shaq as a strategy. But in this case, it wouldn't have been strategy. It would have been game management.


    (By the way, let me take a minute here to address the words of another LB, Larry Bird. Bird was asked in an interview for an upcoming program if the league needed more white stars. He answered yes, because it would be good for the NBA's fan base, which is comprised mostly of white Americans. I know some of my friends will say that there is something wrong or racially problematic with what Bird said, to which I reply: shutupshutupshutupshutup. First, Bird didn't bring the subject up; he answered a question. Second, to deny that white people would like to see white athletes prosper is stupid. Black people like to see blacks succeed; Latinos like to see Latinos succeed; Asians like to see Asians succeed. [That's "Asians," not "Orientals," Bill Parcells.] You would hope that we all would like to see each other succeed, but that's another question, isn't it? Third, Bird has never, to my knowledge, exploited his race for his own personal gain. Throughout the '80s, when hosannas were being written about him and fans lionized him, it would have been easy for Bird to subtly put himself out there as some Great White Hope, and to make a killing doing it. But he didn't. He played the game and frequently gave the credit not to himself, but to black teammates like Dennis Johnson and Robert Parish. No one has made less of the fact that Bird is white than Bird.)

    But let's get back to Brown. Believe me, I'm not the only one wondering why the order to foul wasn't given, and I'm not talking about hack sportswriters and hairdo TV folk. There was some distinct grumbling about the decision in the Detroit locker area after Game 2. To give the Lakers a game -- and it was given to them, not taken by them, no matter what the Kobe Hagiographers in L.A. write -- is worse than getting blown out.

    Here, though, is where the Pistons are fortunate. The same guy who goofed Tuesday is the absolute best guy in the world to make things right by Thursday.


    Bill Davidson is paying Brown $5 million a year for moments exactly like this. It was Brown that cajoled, threatened, yelled and praised Danny Manning into the performance of his life in the 1988 NCAA championship game -- a feat that brought the Jayhawks the national championship. It was Brown who got the Clippers to the playoffs. It was Brown who helped shape Allen Iverson into the NBA's Most Valuable Player. And in these Finals, it's been Brown who's instilled in these Pistons a no-fear mindset.

    He's stripped the Lakers of their supposed invincibility and swagger, exposed them to his players for what they are: a talented, tough, but somewhat flawed team. Brown told the Pistons they could get any shot they wanted against the Lakers in Game 1, and didn't care who knew it. Brown already has his guys convinced that the Lakers have no clothes. Now, he has to re-inflate their belief in themselves to get the job done at home.

    In 48 hours.

    It won't take videotape, or some rah-rah speech. It'll just take Brown doing what he does better than anyone in the world.

    "You think we're gonna lay down?," 'Sheed asked defiantly in the locker room on Tuesday.

    Not with P4P in the house.
     
  20. haven

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    Jeez, people. That was a terrific last shot. You can dislike the Lakers all you want, but watching that was fun. Fine, Larry Brown made a mistake - but it wasnt nearly as big as you guys are making it out to be.

    Kobe took a 28 foot 3 point shot. Those ain't bad odds.
     

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