Well, I guess it was inevitable that this turn into a KT versus MoTay thread. But it shouldn't be. I'm just happy that K9's doing so well! I've really liked the D I've seen from him thus far. He's also proven capable of inflicting serious damage by driving to the hoop, and he has some solid low post moves. The rebounding is solid, if not spectacular. Once he quits shooting 3s, he will be even better.
Clutch, What in the hell are you talking about? I said that Mo Taylor averaged more boards per game after the first month of last season than Kenny Thomas has so far. Aelliott replied with numbers from the first month of last season, which were not at all my point. How that's bodyslamming my claim I would love to understand. Also, I'm not saying that KT isn't a better rebounder than Mo historically, through their whole careers. I'm talking about this season alone. Someone said that KT did everything Mo did and rebounded (this season). The stats say otherwise. You've done absolutely nothing to refute any of my points. Aelliott, The players you listed to a large extent were natural rebounders. They hang around the basket and rebound like crazy. That's their job, and that's what they focus on. None of those is asked to play away from the basket like Mo Taylor. None of those players have near the offensive game, as far as playmaking, that Mo Taylor does.
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sc, It seems as if he has stopped shooting 3s, doesn't it? I wonder if Rudy gave an ichnay to the 3ay. tanks cwisco, you r so sweeat.
Cat -- you'd do much better at defending Mo if you'd just admit that he's not a good rebounder. That doesn't mean he's not a very good basketball player, a great player for the Rockets, and significantly better than KT.
I'm not saying that he is a good rebounder. I'm just saying that this season, Kenny Thomas is doing approximately the same as Mo Taylor did last year on the boards.
TheCat, I like your passion, but it really seems like the only thing that you argue with. If you're tossing out Mo's first month of crappy rebounding (I initially thought your 'after' was the intuitive "at month's completion" as Clutch and aelliott read it, btw), you're being dishonest with the dataset. MoT has crappy first month rebounding numbers, because he rebounded crappy during the first month. Those numbers are merely symptomatic of Mo Taylor being a crappy rebounder. Had he started getting 12-13 boards a game, hell 10-11 boards a game, I'd understand you wanting to toss the numbers, but that didn't happen. He deviated from those numbers by what 3-4 rebounds? From ****town to pooville? That's an improvement? BTW, by your own redefined narrow-ass definition of what constitutes Mo's rebounding record of last year, shouldn't you expect even more rebounding from Kenny Thomas as the season progresses? BTW2, I thought that was a great way to duck Clutch's assertion that Kenny's playing with better rebounders than was Mo last year. Sheez, why don't you completely ignore any point that doesn't fit your agenda. cuckoo-cuckoo-cuckoo-cuckoo!
How does that affect defensive rebounding? By far, most rebounds are on the defensive end. I just saw that stat heb. Sure enough; I bet you're right on about the executive order. Rudy: "Kenny, I swear if you shoot another three I'm trading you to the Bulls." That would be enough to scare most players.
What do you mean? Could he be a good rebounder in pick-up games or something? It seems like a pretty good indicator to me.
KT is doing the same that Taylor did last yr except he's staying out of foul trouble and rebounding a little better. Taylor had good games against non impact 4's in the west, just like Thomas is this yr. To prove how much Thomas has improved, watch the next few games against some real players in our conference. I like the way Thomas isn't jacking up 3's and he is playing better D than Taylor could dream of. We're still avg at that position and sucking at the 3 spot. Taylor wouldn't do any better than what Thomas is doing. As far as Cat and the "system", how complicated can this system be. Cassell came in and played good, Elie did too, and Clyde did also, so I don't see why Cat keeps claiming that Taylor and Rice hasn't gotten used to the system. Its not like its a football playbook and he's a qb, its basketball with 5 or 6 plays with reaction based on the d. It doesn't take a entire season to learn the Rockets simple system.
I believe that was sarcasm Davo. You know, the Wiz is a good starting sf. If you ignore his first 60 game slumps and take his numbers from the 20 or so game stretch where he plays decent, he's pretty good. Wiz is a good starting sf. That's sort of like sarcasm stabbing too.
Achebe, It all balances out... there may be a few better rebounders this year, but as BGM said with Marc Jackson, there are also more rebounding opportunities. Look, I think it took a while for Mo to adjust to the Rockets, and that imho is why he had a low rebounding and scoring average the first month. But, if you don't think so, that's fine too. Mo ended last year averaging 5.6 rebounds per game, I think. Kenny is averaging 5.9. The rebounds per minute are almost identical, something that shouldn't occur if Kenny is rebounding so much better than Mo Taylor. Don't make me out to be saying something I'm not. I'm not trying to say Mo Taylor is some superstar, or that he's miles ahead of KT. All I'm saying is that to this point in the season Kenny Thomas is rebounding about the same as Mo did last year. Is there something wrong with that? grummett, I see your sarcasm, though I do agree with that statement in many cases. However, when certain people last year (Axeman I think?) tried to say that Mo was near every ball and got hands on nearly everything, nobody considered that at all when talking about Mo's rebounding. They went straight to the numbers. If you want to do it that way, that's perfectly fine by me. But don't turn the tables when it's KT...
How does that affect defensive rebounding? By far, most rebounds are on the defensive end. The majority of power forwards pick up about 2 offensive boards or so per game. If you added 2 rebounds to Mo Taylor's average, that would do wonders for the perception about him around here...
on kenny vs mo mo is the pf we need for this team he can drain the midrange j constantly, fitting in with mobes and steves penetration and opening up things even more so for glen, another deadly outside shooter. Numbers dont tell the whole story, he really came on the 2nd half of last season. As for kenny, hes a good young BENCH pf, and i see him as a poor mans antawn jamison, short, good low post game but very inconsistent outside games, basically a tweener.
ur sweatty too HEB. Bottom line - we don't need no pollyanna powerforwards. When you have Heidi Kloom, you don't need a three-way, but it sure is nice. get riddy of walty.
Mo averaged 1.6 offensive boards per game, and would have had more had he played as many minutes as most starting 4s. Actually per minute he was better on the o-boards than guys like Nowitzki and Malone, and not too far behind Webber and KG. His rebounding troubles were more pronounced on the defensive glass. Like TheFreak said, it doesn't mean he's a bad player.
<i>I'm not trying to say Mo Taylor is some superstar, or that he's miles ahead of KT</i> Well, in the past you have said that Taylor is better on the Rockets than Rasheed Wallace or Dirk Nowitzki would be. You've also claimed that Taylor was a much better defender than Kenny Thomas. If there isn't that much difference in Taylor and KT then why are we paying Taylor $6M+ and Thomas ~$1M. Eddie Griffin is our PF of the future, so why commit long term money to Taylor? Couldn't we have better used that money on a center?
When did I say Mo was a better fit than Dirk Nowitzki? Also, the contracts argument isn't very valid... KT is still on his rookie contract, and the Rockets can't pay him more. I'm sure he'll get around 4 mil per season when he's a free agent. P.S. Taylor and Eddie compliment each other so well they they could play the 4 and 3, or the 4 and 5.
