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KSU/UT

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by gr8-1, Oct 20, 2002.

  1. mduke

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    UT in the Fiesta? I do think they'll get in a BCS bowl if they win out, and deservedly so.....but some VERY weird things will have to happen(ala OSU;))to get in the championhip.....I think Ohio State is very overrated, I'd pick just about any other top 15 team to beat them.....unfortunately, if Georgia wins out, they'll be in the Fiesta because they supposedly have the hardest schedule:(

    I can't wait for the BCS to come out tomorrow:D
     
  2. Major

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    Lets say UT and OU finish the year 11-1. OU wins the Big 12 (12-1). UT would be in a good position to get an at-large bid in the Sugar or Orange, but I find it hard to believe they would jump over OU.

    I agree. We might jump them in polls, as TheCat mentions, but I think they stay ahead of us in the computers. Their schedule will be tougher with Alabama, ISU, CU, and the Big12 Championship as opposed to our ISU and KSU. However, they would have a huge advantage in being maybe the only team with significant bonus points for having beaten a top-3 team.

    I do think OSU, Notre Dame and maybe Georgia will all lose this coming week, so we could move up to #4 with a win over ISU.
     
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  3. BrianKagy

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    We don't need all of the unbeaten teams to lose. Miami can win out and we can still, remarkably, end up in Tempe.

    The best way for us to get there would be for the teams ahead of us to lose as late as possible.

    OU: Big 12 championship game
    Virginia Tech: vs. Miami
    Ohio State: vs. Michigan
    Georgia: SEC championship game

    Notre Dame will lose to FSU this week, taking care of them.

    I think there's very little chance of Ohio State losing to Michigan, though-- in fact, OSU has the easiest road to Tempe (or, at least, an unbeaten year) of anyone out there.

    Of course, this doesn't address the computers.

    I also honestly think there's very little chance that OU loses. It would be exceedingly rare for Miami, OU, and Ohio State to all go unbeaten in one season, but frankly, that's what looks the most likely to me.

    I'm not even sure playing Miami for the national title is in Texas' best interests with Greg Davis calling the plays. We might be better off waxing some 9-3 conference champion in a BCS bowl rather than watching another object lesson of what happens when you put Chris Simms in charge of Greg Davis' offense vs. a great defense.
     
  4. gr8-1

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    Georgia looks like the best of a very balanced SEC conference. Anyone can beat anyone in that league. On that note, I think they have @Auburn, @ UK, Florida and the sec championship, possibly against LSU.

    OSU has UM (doesn't UM always beat them), 7-1 Minnesota and Penn State. They'll lose one of them.

    FSU will take care of ND, if not USC could.

    OU is on easy street. CU may scare them and aggy defense is stout, but I think they run the table.

    Miami will beat Tech. If not, OU destroys Tech in the Fiesta.

    I think we will be the best one loss team, according to voters. Best case, realistic scenario is a #2 or #3 finish, imo.
     
  5. mduke

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    OSU loses to PSU
    Georgia loses to Auburn AND SEC championship.
    Va Tech beats Miami
    OU loses to Colorado
    Texas wins out
    OU beats KSU/Colorado in Big XII championship

    Who plays for the title?
    I'd say Va Tech and OU......
     
  6. UTweezer

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    those predictions are pretty stretchy...
     
  7. BrianKagy

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    Penn State has not even managed to score in double-digits at Ohio Stadium since joining the Big Ten.

    Michigan had John Cooper's number, not Ohio State's-- evidenced by Jim Tressel taking an inferior team into Ann Arbor last year and knocking Michigan out of a BCS bid by beating them.

    Minnesota has beaten OSU once since 1980 and is currently battling Air Force for the title of "worst one-loss team in America".

    I think you guys are underestimating Ohio State's chances to go unbeaten.
     
  8. TheFreak

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    I guess you consider Applewhite to be better than Kurt Warner. Typical Simms apologist comment.

    The BCS doesn't look at margin of victory anymore.
     
  9. Smokey

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    Some people still think he's the best QB in college football and should have 3 Heisman's in his trophy case.
     
  10. drapg

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    sounds like Ron Powlus!
     
  11. The Cat

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    Freak: in that offense, he might be. The one way you can succeed in a Greg Davis type offense is if the quarterback has a terrific ability to improvise and change plays at the line. That's not Simms' strength, and it's not really Kurt Warner's either (which is why I used him as an example). Warner's never been a great player at improvising and making plays on the fly, but he has great weapons, and he does a superb job at playing within the system, which lets his receivers make plays downfield.

    When you have the weapons Texas has, a system should be in place (like practically every other top 25 team) that doesn't require constant audibles to succeed. The plays should be good enough to work in the first place. Major had that rare ability to improvise (and he also had better running backs), which helped him somewhat, but with our weapons it shouldn't ever come to that.

    Also, I didn't mean margin of victory in the BCS. I mean margin of victory as in how they will be perceived by the coaches and writers. The more convincing the loss, the more OU drops in the polls, which would then translate to the BCS.
     
  12. TheFreak

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    I noticed Simms change quite a few plays at the line Saturday. I also refuse to believe that he doesn't have the option of throwing to a different receiver from what Davis says is the first option, depending upon who's more open.

    Who was the running back when Applewhite won Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year?
     

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