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Koreans and Short Track

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Cohen, Feb 21, 2002.

  1. Cohen

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  2. JayZ750

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    I know nothing about the sport, but from the quick explanation they did on tv, it seems like it could have gone either way and Ohno did a good job to sell his side of it.

    The Korean media, though, has a right to complain, just as the American media did following his first race. I like how Ohno, though, said the collapse in the 1,000 was just part of the sport. I hope the Korean skater in this race is as gracious in defeat, even if the media isnt always.
     
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    That was the impression I got from that first race also. I think because most of us are unfamiliar with the sport, that what happened seemed like a great injustice. But from I could see, the participants didn't seem all that upset. I figured that since they're more familiar with the sport than I am, that they had probably seen this sort of thing many times before and accepted it as a common occurance.
     
  4. rockHEAD

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    that Korean took a really wide step to get in front of Ohno, according to the judges, if you are skating a wide track and suddenly make a big step to skate a short track that is grounds to be disqualified. Plus the Korean tried to push Ohno out of the way... of course Ohno pulled a Jazz and made a bit of a flop out of it, but it was enough to convince the judges to take note...

    just my 2ยข
     
  5. Surfguy

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    It's clear to anyone who saw that race what happened....which apparently has the term "cross-tracking". Ohno made a move on the inside while the Korean was on the outside. To prevent Ohno from taking the lead, the Korean made a move to the inside to block him when he clearly was on the outside. This caused Ohno to have to stand up a little at which time he flailed his arms about giving his best John Stockton performance. Regardless, apparently what the Korean did was illegal and cost him any medal. I'm not sure why they just didn't give the Korean the silver since it only involved one other skater but I guess that's the rules. It's clear that Ohno would have won with the inside move had he not been impeded. The Korean took the outside and then tried to take the inside once he realized the American was moving on the inside.

    In reality, this was just payback for the South Korean protestors who gave President Bush an unwarm welcome when he was there. This was all pre-determined by the West and Christianity :rolleyes: .
     
  6. kidrock8

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    What does Christianity have to do with anything? I believe that recently, it has surpassed Buddhism as the #1 religion in Korea. I am Korean, and I'm a Baptist.

    Usually, I don't get offended or have a short fuse when it comes to race, however, it seems that you really haven't done your homework, when it comes to stereotyping my race.

    I have no problems with being stereotyped, just make sure you do it the "right way".
     
  7. Rocketman95

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    Mmm, sarcasm...some just don't get it.
     
  8. paikj83

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    Dude, I think he was being sarcastic.
     
  9. kidrock8

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    Mmm, racial sarcasm... some just don't get that it's not the brightest thing to do.
     
  10. Surfguy

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    yes i was....thanks. i thought :rolleyes: was a dead giveaway.

    Where you decided I was sterotyping your race....I will never understand.
     
  11. Rocketman95

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    Yeah, I don't see anything remotely racist about that sarcasm, unless you're referring to Christians or the West.
     
  12. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    According to the Britannica website, South Korea is the first Asian country since the Phillipines to have a majority of Christians. In addition there are 4 times as many Presbyterians in South Korea as there are in the U.S.

    http://www.britannica.com/original?content_id=1563
     
  13. Jeff

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    How in the HELL (get it, hell, Christianity, huh, er...ugh :rolleyes: ) did this turn into a religious debate. We could start a discussion of toilets on there and it could end up as a debate of religion. :eek:

    By the way, I found the comment in the AP story that Ohno's father had to give up his career as a "hairdresser to the stars" when Ohno's mother died to be just so odd. Hairdresser to the stars???
     
  14. paikj83

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    :D
     
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    Wow....This parts not taken out of context :rolleyes:

     
  16. Surfguy

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    My sarcastic comments really don't fit the situation but either does anyone searching for reasons other than the rules established for this race as to why this racer was disqualified. It has nothing to do with race, origin, or religion(which was kind of the point of my sarcasm). In world public opinion, alot of people tend to find fault with the West(while they may also point to Christianity) for bad things which happen in the world today regardless of where responsibility may lie or the circumstances involved. Just as many Muslim people think the West frowns upon Islam because of 9-1-1 which is not true at all. We frown upon extremist interpretations of Islam which call for "Death to America" and condone terrorist activities. Disinformation and propaganda is the biggest problem in the world today as it breeds hatred.

    This was one of those situations I took to sarcastically chastise my own countrymen for the Short Track ruling. It wasn't from a South Korean vantage point. The ref who disqualified the South Korean was Australian which makes my comments even more absurd. The South Korean coach said the ref was not up to Olympic referee standards because he did not like how his player was disqualified. If the American had done the same thing to the Korean, then I would expect the American to be disqualified.... plain and simple...as would the South Korean coach. If there were no "cross-tracking" rule, then the move would have been legitimate.

    In the end, my point was people try to find other reasons for things like this rather than look at the situation. A rule was broken and that is that. To blame it for any other reason is, in my humble opinion, as absurd as how others in the world tend to always portray the West and Christianity in a negative light as if we are part of some ongoing conspiracy of world domination out to destroy other peoples' ways of life and are the cause of most everyones' problems in the world today.

    As you can see, I may have an absurd and outlandish sarcastic comment at the end of my post but in no way was I sterotyping a race or South Korea....that is just how you interpreted it, kidrock8. The fact that Christianity may be a dominant religion(which I did not know) in South Korea is probably why my sarcasm was interpretted incorrectly. But, since I was referring to the "West and Christianity" as the cause(again...sarcastically), it isn't relevant to my sarcasm.

    If anything, then I should have American Christians out to get me.

    :D
     
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    ARGHHHH!!! I am so SICK of hearing about the story of Ohno being raised by a single father. Big flippin' deal... NBC practically crammed it down your throat. I mean there are tons of people who succeed and are raised by single parents. Enough NBC!
     
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    Yeah...and your not one of them....HAHA.

    Sorry...couldn't resist. :p
     
  19. gr8-1

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    Ohno also seems to be a rather humble young man.

     
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    I like JayZ don't know anything about the sport. But it would be a ticky tacky call in any sport I do know more about. Based on my very, very limited view of a sport that seems to allow for some jockeying, the Korean got hosed.
     

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