While it is way too early- I am impressed with this guy. I am not sure if JVG would be changing his starting line up but this guy could match up better at David Wesley's position> Not suggesting Wesley is expendable- but I think this kid has stepped up. I think we will see more of Keith ( agreed yesterday was just one game) The power forward spot is our weakest link- despite some flashes of what we could be.
bogans is our backup for tmac. wesley is playing great right now, and on top of that he's ON FIRE with his shot. i think that as long as we have wesley bogans remains on the bench. i don't think that PF is our weakest position. jho provides the jump shooting that we need, hayes providea the rebounding. stro is coming along i guess. i tihnk the weakest position in at PG where we only have rafer. sure, he's playing out of his mind right now, but we need a backup.
Well I would trade for Wesley but I feel loyalty to this veteran! Perfect scenario would be if traded his contract and the team releases him and we sign him back at the minimum. Of late he has been hitting his shots- so I would not say "useless".
Keith Bogans thread Wow, what a pick up!!! I am hoping this thread can follow his performance. Some observations: Strong solid defender Good rebounder Good court vision: decent passer, know where to go Excellent decision maker, doesn't seem to rush anything 3-point shooter, his stroke looks very good, I like the little knee bend, good release too, and the shot looks good from the top of the key as well as from the corner AND the wing. He feet could be a little quicker, he could grab a few more passes last night. Any other obervations? I think he could be a starter or rotation player here for years to come. He is very similar to Wesley, just lack some experience.
could've added this to the other bogans thread. but yes, i agree, he's a great pickup. only 25 years old and he's a nice defender, rebounder, spot up shooter, and nice at attacking the basket. he's definitely a piece to the championship puzzle.
He didn't say Wesley is "useless" He said Wesley is "useless" UNLESS HE IS STARTING. Howard is similar. Those two off the bench seem to disappear. If other guys CAN be productive coming off the bench, then its better for the whole team if Wesley and Howard are the starters. That way we get productivity out of our starters and the bench. Bogans right now seems to be good off the bench so lets leave it that way.
I am not sure how many would agree. Dont get me wrong- JHO is a veteran, cerebral and good for team chemistry- what I am not impressed is consistency on his wide open shots and pathetic defense. Well Stro is Stro- he shows all star calibre brilliance for a couple of nano seconds. Maybe all of this will fall into place as the players start gelling but I just cant but your argument.
Wesley is playing too well for Bogans to start, but it's amazing how well a team plays when they have players with size playing their correct positions. A 6'5" shooting guard is exactly what we needed. Now we need a 6'10" power forward who weighs more than a sheet of paper.
Boguns is doin great so far, but I agree with the concensus here. Wesley is our starter, and he's earning that position. He should only be taken out if he's tired, in foul trouble, or in a mismatch he can't overcome...*cough*kobe*cough* Boguns is a great addition so far though. He's growing on me, but then again so did Hayes, but hey...I like the rotation as it stands now. Throw Barry back in the mix, and I really wish we could have DA but...you know, the whole trading him thing gets in the way.
Strong solid defender Good rebounder Good court vision: decent passer, know where to go Excellent decision maker, doesn't seem to rush anything 3-point shooter, his stroke looks very good, I like the little knee bend, good release too, and the shot looks good from the top of the key as well as from the corner AND the wing. He feet could be a little quicker, he could grab a few more passes last night. I think he could be a starter or rotation player here for years to come. He is very similar to Wesley, just lack some experience.
Bogans looks to be our Mario Elie. Keep Wesley in the starting lineup, since he's playing well of late, and bring him off the bench. Maybe next season he'll move to the starting lineup, if he can sustain the same level of play.
*sigh* one good game and he is a starter? if that was the case he would have been starting in charlotte and yet he wasnt. i prefer bogans off the bench. he brings energy that is needed off the bench, i dont think wesley would do the same thing. seriously people calm down, he'll be a bench player and i am fine with that i just want him to be a good bench player. things look promising so dont jinx yourselves now
but then if u think about it he had to split time with raymond felton, kareem rush and this other dude... whereas here SG is our weakest position... im not saying he should be a started but i think he should get major playing esp when theres a mismatch between wesley and the opposing SG.
The WHOLE point of having Bogans is to give TMac some rest. Think Lakers. TMac was able to cover Kobe defensively for short spells. If we had Bogans at the time, we could have rotated Bogans in and out. If Bogans was a starter, the rotation would get all screwed up. eg...After playing the entire 1st period, TMac and Bogans would need a rest, right? Who are you gonna put in? Wesley? Jon Barry? Head? That's why you need Bogans coming off the bench.
If I go with your assumption Bogans should not get more than 15 minutes- I think he will get a lot more than that. I do appreciate this traditional thinking about "starters" and "bench" players- but if we are just speaking about ability and the team need at this point, a case can be made for Bogans to get- let me put it another way "near- starter" minutes. To me it really does not matter if he starts or comes off the bench, I think longer term- if we want to retain him, that kind of carrot would help us sign him next year. Wesley will not be here next year- unless he signs for the vet minimum
Talking about our power forwards, tomorrow game against Phoenix is one I would love to see Hayes in the starting lineup just for that game since Juwan and Stro have a had time staying with The Matrix. Bogans will be need off the bench to help negate the Frenchman (whose name I cannot recall now) when Mac is restings. I am not sure who to put on Nash - Skip or Wes? We have to get revenge. Thank goodness we have Barry's sharping now.
I never said, suggested, implied or hinted that Bogans should only play 15 minutes a game. Where did you get that? I said Bogans should be TMac's primary backup from a defensive standpoint. Depending on matchups, such as the Lakers, Bogans likely would play near starters minutes assuming he can hit open J's. But if Bogans proves inept at hitting open J's, he's not much better than Ryan Bowan. Like Air Bull said last night, Bull wasn't much of a defensive player. But if he could outscore the guy he was defending, then he DID play good defense. Wesley is playing really well right now and against most teams, he's an excellent defender. I don't know why you would want to cut Wesley's minutes right now. He's playing brilliantly.
