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Jeremy Lin

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jbasket, Feb 8, 2012.

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  1. VanityHalfBlack

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    Aaron Brooks, LOL....
     
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    I thought it was DD's dummy account ;)
     
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    lol wow Aaron Brooks that's a tough blow
     
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    Why? Lin is a fearless attacker towards the hoop, he has proved he's at least a good midrange shooter, Ok 3 pointer shooter, and he can pass. His Raw TO numbers might be high, but if you look at his TO% and usage rate, he's actually better than Kidd, Nash and rondo (Rubio and Irving as Well) I'd be surprised if he didn't get a huge pay rise.... Aaron brooks who?
     
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    11 consistent games and people think it's too small a sample, but when it's one horrible game against the best team in the league and all of a sudden he sucks/been exposed or figured out.. Give the kid a break, let him finish a complete season at least...
     
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    Your sample is too small although I only saw a few games of rubio to know he is the man.

    I was pointing out 2 facts that will get Lin more cash besides the fact that he is probably better than brooks ( I am not a big brooks guy)

    Lin is taller than brooks.
    he has more seat filling value than brooks. At this point even if the sacramento kings sign him they will still have a 'jeremy lin' night at arco or anaheim or wherever they may be.. Brooks not so much.
     
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    Thank you for you reply...but I think I quoted the wrong guy lol
     
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    Aaron Brooks is the guy who has a better career USG% to TO% rate than Jeremy Lin's 2012 rate.

    You want to explain again why we should look at usage rates/TOV%. When you compare Lin to Brooks, Lin doesn't look too good. So, maybe you should stop using that stat.

    I like Lin and I'm rooting for him, but comparisons to the style of play of guys like Brooks and AI is appropriate. I would say Lin's potential is somewhere between Brooks and AI...and I consider that a huge compliment to Lin. He should not be compared to Kidd, Nash and Rondo and Rubio, etc. They are completely different players. Maybe we can compare him to Irving, but right now, Irving is pretty incomparable with his efficiency numbers for a 19 yr old.
     
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    I'm pretty sure they won't beat the Heat. In a series that is.
     
  11. Icehouse

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    How do 10 NBA games prove anything?
     
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    I don't know. Lin is not the shooters like Brooks and Iverson. And he is definitely not as fast. So I don't see how he is compared to these guys. I do think that he is more like Rondo because of his size, defensive ability, and court awareness. He is not as long as Rondo so he can't make those steals or finish at the rim. But he is a much better shooter.

    What Lin needs is to get use to the size and speed of top NBA players. I saw that he often got caught at plays that he thought he could make but then realized the defenders were quicker and bigger than he expected.
     
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    Yeah, no one is as fast as Iverson. But Lin's first step makes him very quick relative to the defense...as fast as Brooks, imo. And that is what he does -- attempts to get to the whole as much as possible. So, in terms of his style of play, I don't think it is a stretch to say he is more comparable to AI than any other big name PG...although, not nearly on the same level. But he's also not on the same level as any other big name PG.

    So, comparing him to any big name HOF or future HOF PG is way too early; hence, the Brooks comparison.
     
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    I'll let heypartner do the heavy lifting on usage rates. Maybe I'm being simplistic here, but how many coaches will have a point guard routinely turn the ball over 5+ times a game and not bench his ass? In Steve Francis' last year here he had a high usage rate and similar assist and turnover figures (while averaging a lot more minutes compared to Lin so far), and many posters here wanted his head because he couldn't take care of the ball.

    I'm just saying I've seen Lin's type before and I've learned a lesson already. It always looks pretty to have a double-digit number in the assist column, and it definitely looks good to pair it with 20+ scoring. But, turnovers are killers in the NBA and a 1.74 Assist/TO ratio is pretty atrocious. He's got a massive gaping hole in his game which is why he never stuck anywhere else. He found the right situation in NY to play despite his weaknesses. But it won't last unless he learns how to keep ahold of the ball. If he can get his turnovers down, I think he can be good. As it is, I think he's as much a liability as he is an asset.
     
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    You need to read my post properly.

    I didn't use usage to tov rate to compare. I used usage% and to%. He's ranked top6 usage% and his TO per 100 possessions is lower than guys like Steve Nash and Jason Kidd( guys with similar usage rate) I never made any comments towards their play style nor their individual game.
     
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    If you can hit your jumper at a pretty good clip for 11 straight games, doesn't that make you a fairly good jump shooter?! No??
     
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    So what's Steve Francis first 12 games record?

    2- 10.

    There's not even comparable.
     
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    Aaron brooks is a volume jump shooter and he can't pass.

    For the small sample size, Lin averaged 7.2fta per game, he can take it inside and he can shoot 2s.

    Totally 2 different types of player.
     
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    Brooks still has a better usage% to TOV% than Lin...right? That was my point. I know he's didn't like to pass as much as Lin, but Lin is no Nash, Kidd, Rondo or Rubio when it comes to passing, but pretty much everything else is the same between he and Brooks...style wise. High volume shooting PG, with speed to get to rim, but not on the efficiency level of Parker and Irving.

    So, imo, Lin is a high volume shooter (enormously higher) than Nash, Kidd, Rondo and Rubio...and not as good at passing or defense (except for Nash). He is like Brooks because he is fast and can get to the rim at high volume. You forget how good Brooks was and using his bowling hands to spin the ball into the basket...around the bigs after he got by the PG.

    Lin's Ast/TO ratio is way too low for him to be called a great passing PG. He simply does not take care of the ball like the pass-first great PGs do.

    Until Lin shows he can shoot at a high percentage over time, we just can't compare him to the Parker's and Irving's out there...who get to the rim at high volume and are efficient.
     
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    I don't think he's a high volume shooter. His fg% is 47% after that 1-11 and his ts% is still at a good 57%. During the streak he took a lotta shots mainly because there's no better options available. No he doesn't shoot a lotta long 2s and 3s, more than half of his points are from layups and fts.

    I never said he is a great passing pg, actually i don't think he is a pass first pg at all. His style reminds me of tony park ( not that he's better or even comparable). Attack first, pass second, can shoot 2s but inconsistent when it comes to 3s.

    He could def. improve his handle and take care o the ball better, but he's no Aaron brooks when it comes to play style and mentality.

    I don't know how good he's gonna be, start potential? Probably. Superstar? Not really. Starting pg? Absolutely.
     

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