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J. Robertson

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Sep 23, 2003.

  1. Castor27

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    What is the deal with him getting no ROY press? He has the team lead in wins He has come from nowhere to be a somewhat decent starter (way more than he was expected to be). Should he win ROY no, but he has had better seasons than some of the people getting mentioned for the award. He's playing on a division contender and although inconsistent at times he has still managed to win games and give the astros a chance to win many of his starts. What is the deal?
     
  2. goophers

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    hi ERA = no ROY
     
  3. RunninRaven

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    I would say it is the disproportionate ERA to his W/L, which means he gets a lot of run support. On top of that, there's the whole Houston thing, which always seems to be a negative in the eyes of the media.
     
  4. bobrek

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    It seems that those being prominently mentioned for the award are:

    Dontrell Willis - 13-6, 3.37 ERA
    Brandon Webb - 10-7, 2.50 ERA
    Scott Podsednik - .315 BA, 42 SBs, 95 Runs

    All of the above are having better years than Robertson. Who else is being mentioned? Robertson has 15 wins, but if he had Redding's ERA he would probably have 21-22 and be a clear winner for ROY. Personally, I'd rather have Willis or Webb pitching on the Astros than Robertson.
     
  5. xiki

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    Ditto.

    However, who on the Astros has produced more results with less major league talent? Thus, I tip my cap to JR. (Just a shame he's not better.)
     
  6. xiki

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    Well, that other southpaw, Ron 'Linebacker' Villone.
     
  7. bobrek

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    And it is his rookie year. Perhaps he'll develop a bit more as he draws on this year's experience. If everyone is healthy next year, he will probably not be in the rotation.

    Oswalt
    Miller
    Redding
    Hernandez
    Rosario

    I also think that Lidge will eventually start, perhaps as soon as next year. Saarloos is also still a young guy and may develop better. He did have that phenomenal month in 2002.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    Dude is the most overated 15 game winner in the majors...if Redding had his run support he would be pushing 20 wins.

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  9. rockets-#1

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    Yeah seriously, Robertson isn't that good.
     
  10. xiki

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    But, he battles and hustles and wins. Give him his due.
     
  11. Nick

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    His 15 wins are his "due"... nobody can take those away from him, no matter what his ERA and run support are.

    He's also getting his "due" by being allowed to pitch for a major league team for the majority of the season... and he will be given a fair-to-decent shot at getting the 5th spot in the rotation next year (although, if Carlos comes back strong, and we sign the de-facto veteran pitcher of the off-season, it could be tough).

    Remember, he was awful awful to start the year, and frankly he's lucky that he even got another shot.
     
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    Oswalt, Miller and Redding are the only locks for the rotation next year. If Carlos pitches like he did a couple years ago beating Redding out for the no. 5 starter, he's got a spot. But that's a big if. The guy has pitched ~ 1 season over the past 3 years put together. Rosario should get the opportunity to beat Robertson out for the No. 5 spot but both will probably be used next season as starters at one time or another. The Astros have ZERO depth behind these guys. They'll probably sign some Joe Shmoe loser veteran over the offseason to fight for a spot too. I'd rather just have Fernandez as backup than another Moehler. The only starter anywhere near big league talent that will be ready in the next year is Qualls. He pitched well in the second half of the year and might gain some confidence pitching in that big ol N'awlins stadium. Sad thing is there isn't a lot of talent behind Qualls either. Maybe someone will step up for Round Rock next year and surprise me.

    As far as Lidge goes, I don't see him as a starter. Would have to develop a changeup most likely. Throwing curveballs is outlawed for that boy. Just don't see it. As far as Saarloos goes I think that we've seen what Kirk has to offer and he'll be a decent long reliever in the not too distant future. But I think it says a lot about what the Astros think about him when they didn't put him in the rotation in N'awlins after demotion.
    It's late, this post is too long and I'm going to bed. I'm out.
     
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    Robertson's season reminds me exactly of Scott Elarton's 2000 season. He got all the run support he needed with a horrible ERA. So he manged to rack up the wins. The next year the run support dropped and his ERA didn't get any better. Next stop:Colorado.
     

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