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Iverson, the debate

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Buck88, Jun 9, 2001.

  1. Buck88

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    Hitman, you pose a good and valid question. I do believe Iverson's poor shooting percentage IS DUE to his lack of offenseive support, and please don't come back with McKie and Snow being offense threats. True, they can score but they feed off of others like any other role player. Iverson at times must create a shot when maybe one is not always there, a bad shot from Iverson may at times be better then a open shot for the likes of some one else. Take Kobe for example, while I in no means am tring to belittle his accomplishments or say that he could not do the same elsewhere, but he DOES have the benefit of having the most dominating big man in the game there to occupy the defense. Again I'm not saying Kobe is not a great player, I just wonder if maybe Iverson's shooting percentage might be a little better if he had second option to defer to when a shot for him might not be there.

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  2. Steve_Francis_rules

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    Iverson shouldn't be criticized for a low shooting percentage because his teammates and coaches tell him to shoot a lot. That's what makes the whole team play better. With Iverson taking the ball off the dribble and taking shots, the other players are able to offensive rebound. Don't forget, Iverson is a very good passer, he's just encouraged to shoot a lot.

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    NO NOTICE should be taken of Iverson's f/g percentage...

    One MASSIVE factor that people overlook is that it is part of Philly's game plan, that when AI is double and triple teamed...he should still put up the shot, because Mutumbo is waiting under the basket and invariably gets the put back slam etc...

    This isn't so effective against Shaq...but was a great weapon in the Eastern play offs...Iverson himself hinted at it when he said he really should get a half assist for those instances as it's planned for Mutumbo to get the put back...

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    I'm not an Iverson fan. I respect his game and what he does for his team, I mean, he won the MVP. Still, his shooting percentage throughout the 2001 playoffs is .385 %
    What does that show? Should we be dazzled by Iverson and his scoring average with such a poor shooting Percentage? One night he scores fifty, the next 20. Is it that he is forced into taking bad shots because of his lack of offensive support or because that's his game? 38 percent is not considered superstar status.

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    Keep in mind that Philly is such a good offensive rebounding team because when Iverson does miss, he still draws so much attention that it allows his teammates to establish inside position on the boards...

    Iverson is one of the few cases where FG% is something that should not be held against him...



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    Something important that hasn't been mentioned is that the Sixers are a good rebounding team, so many of those Iverson misses lead to offensive rebounds by guys like Dikembe Mutombo. Allen is supposed to shoot 30 shots.

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    What you guys fail to realize is that Iverson taking all those shots frees up his teammates for offensive rebounds. The defense is so focused on him, that his teammates can get good rebounding position. You must take this into account when looking at his field goal percentage.
     
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    Wow, 5 posts in a row saying the exact same thing! [​IMG]

    What all of you are missing, however, is that a lot of his shots count as assists because he frees up his teammates for offensive rebounds. The defense is so focused on him, that his teammates can get good rebounding position. You must take this into account when looking at his field goal percentage.

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    I don't think anyone has yet mentioned that Iverson frees teammates for rebounds... [​IMG]
    Ok, I think we've come to the conclusion that Iverson taking as many shots as he does is justified.

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    Some stats to back up a radical concept -- that the 76ers get more rebounds off Iverson's misses than they do from his teammates' misses. [​IMG]

    Using ESPN's game logs and box scores, here are the relevant numbers -- offensive rebounds per miss for AI vs. the rest of the 76ers, and the number of extra rebounds the 76ers got because they can rebound AI's misses better than others' misses:

    LA game 2: 3/19 AI, 11/34 others; -3.15
    LA game 1: 6/22 AI, 5/21 others; +0.76
    Mil game 7: 7/16 AI, 10/32 others; +2.00
    Mil game 6: 9/19 AI, 4/23 others: +5.70
    Mil game 5: 8/22 AI, 10/31 others: +0.90

    Each extra rebound is like a miss that doesn't count. So, to get AI's effective shooting percentage over the last 5 games, subtract 6.21 shots from his shot total -- changing 64/163, or 39.3%, to 64/156.79, or 40.8%.

    That's not as much as I thought it would be, but I bet the number would be higher over the course of the year. If anyone wants to calculate the stat for all of AI's games, I'd really be interested in the results.


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    LOL [​IMG]


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    So let me get this straight, Iverson should miss shots because they're kind of like assists. Yeah, that's it. I guess more players should try to purposely miss shots to allow their teammates a chance at the offensive rebound.

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