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Is This The End ????

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by GranvilleWaders, Aug 8, 2001.

  1. GranvilleWaders

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    I must admit that I am a little frustrated at the off-season results!
    I remember not too long ago this board along with myself as being excited calling this off-season one of the most important in recent Rockets history! We had a team on the bubble of the playoffs with several tradeable picks and cap room for free-agents who could take us to the next level! Granted part of it was visions of Chris Webber in the PJ's dancing in my head but I think that was only a small part. The reality in my mind is that this off-season was a BIG disappointment..for several reasons.
    We lost Hakeem for starters..we aquired zero in the area of free-agents that could make an immediate impact in the quest for a championship..we did not dump cato or his cap-draining salary and in fact will probably be our starting center this year..we did trade our three 1st round picks..but for Eddie Griffin whom I know is very talented..he didn't show much in the RM Review and I don't think he will make a serious impact for at least a couple of years..now we sign our existing free-agents and basically resign to a status quo of last season of which we didn't make the playoffs.. this team MIGHT make the playoffs this year only because some of the other teams in the West had a worse off-season. On the basis of last years West record, this team has no real chance of going anywhere! Does CD honestly think we have any shot this year?.. I think not..the only explanantion is the planning for years to come as in not this year or next..even then who knows!! That's two years of playing just over .500 ball. All I know is the beginning of this off-season I was excited a the prosepects of the team that could have been on the floor and now it looks like it will be the SAME exact team minus Hakeem which was one of the reasons we came close to making the playoffs lat year anyway.. call me cynical but this is what I see and now these signings do nothing but make me yawn and say.. " Is this it?" I hope not..but unfortunately ..I think it is!:eek:
     
  2. JuanValdez

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    Thank you for that note of encouragement.

    I'm afraid you're probably more right than I'd like you to be. There isn't any feeling at all that the Rocks are still going to do a trade or a big signing before the offseason is over. Essentially, we've traded Olajuwon for Griffin, which isn't at all bad, imo, but I know we were all expecting more.

    At least we didn't fall on our faces and lose all our FAs.
     
  3. MadMax

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    Granville -- I'm with you....like you, I don't think the Rockets will make the playoffs this year. I don't think they've really improved all that much. They will be a year better, though, I believe. I just don't believe that will be enough. And I do think they'll miss the Dream in some ways.

    Having said that, IF the Dream could give you anything this year (and I'm not sure he could), it would be for this year only. Certainly he's not a long-term answer for their concerns. And there was no move, save getting Webber, that could have made this team a contender for the title...and it's arguable that even adding Webber wouldn't have made a difference. Outside of Webber, there are no real significant free agents to be had. This team needed one more real solid contributor --particularly in the frontcourt -- and Webber was about the only thing they could add. They did great to add Griffin...but that is going to be a work in progress...certainly adding Griffin doesn't change the complexion of this team so much as to make them a competitor this year. Make no mistake...Cato and Taylor is about the softest frontcourt I've ever seen. These guys might combine for 10-11 rebounds per game. Having said that, Taylor was the best option available to the Rocks.

    EVERY offseason, fans say, "this is a huge offseason!" It gets overblown. Clearly there weren't enough names in the ranks of free agency to make this a HUGE offseason. It just didn't play that way. They made a nice trade on draft day...that's more than many teams did. If they keep this little group together, they should be able to attract some free agents when the time comes...but this year, there just wasn't much out there. So you sign Anderson and Norris to some short-term contracts and see what happens...and if you can move Cato, you do it as soon as possible! That frees up money for the summers where there actually are players available.
     
  4. Will

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    A different perspective:

    1. Hakeem was at the end of his career. Losing him within the next year or two was inevitable. Getting a first-round draft pick in exchange was a bonus.
    2. Getting a franchise player without falling to the bottom of the league is extremely difficult. We got one franchise player without a lottery pick (Francis), and we may very well have gained another this offseason in Griffin. The fact that one of these guys is a backcourt anchor and the other is a frontcourt anchor makes our good fortune even more amazing. That is a huge accomplishment and a precious building block for our future.
     
  5. bigboymumu

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    CD is not done yet. There will be a trade soon. Something seems to come across his desk more often then not.
     
  6. 4chuckie

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    Unfortunately I think Granville is correct. I remember as the season was ending that we all though we would be significantly improved this year, via Webber or other FAs. I am happy to get Griff out of the draft, but noone can say right now that any 19-y/o will/won't be a good player. Griff has all the skills but the NBA is made up of players who had the "potential" to be good.
    As I stated somewhere else I think we are the same as last year, probably battling for the 8th spot in West but as good as chance as being in the lottery again.
    I guess I am so tired of the lottery that I would have been thrilled to take Battier in the draft and re-sign Webber. I know it may not have been the best thing for the franchise, but I don't want to play that stupid lottery game ever again! :p
     
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    Sorry i meant in the last paragraph to re-sign Dream.
     
  8. GranvilleWaders

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    First of all I don't think there is any trade in the works..it just doesn't make sense. Secondly, even if there were ..what is even out there that would make any significant difference in the next two years to come.. nothing.. I guess maybe me like many others became spoiled at the way the Rockets pursued the necessary pieces to win the championship.. I believe this off-season was or is not an attempt to win the championship this year or next.. I don't like the idea of looking ahead to this and the next season and saying "we have no chance of winning it all"..I know it sounds pessimistic.. I will find solace in the fact that we did not have to hit rock bottom to move back toward the top..with all this said ..I am also confident in CD and Les Alexander that if the rockets do not improve by leaps and bounds within these next few seasons, they will intervene..they've done it before..they got the second ring because of it.. so I will call this "Growing Pains".. I just think we could be growing a little faster..in my negativity I will watch every Rocket game and believe they can win every game..just as I always have!
     
  9. ROCKETBOOSTER

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    Keep in mind this same Rockets team produced 48 wins last year. I believe that tied a record for the most wins for a non-playoff team. I find it hard to beleive that these same group of guys will find themselves taking steps backwards, or even stuck in mediocrity for long. I beleive they'll manage to turn the corner this year. I dont have the stats to back it up but the Rockets lost more close games last year than any other Rocket team i can remember.

    So taking all this into account, Cd could of been proud with this team and the direction it was headed. You know, he could of sat back, counted himself as one of the rare blessed Gm's who never had to twist his face up into Jerry Krause convulsions while enduring that long, agonizing, process of rebuilding -- he could of sat back and accepted that last pick in the lottery with a contented smile...right? But No, fortunately a last pick in the lottery is not Cd's style because he's no damn fat Krause or Elgin Baylor. So what does he do? Oh well, he just manages to steal one of the top freaking projected picks in this years draft! That amazing manuever by the Rockets coaching staff is enough for
    me to rate this as a succesful basketball related summer.

    This team may not when a championship this year but the pieces are there and dont worry, like the two cahmpinship teams of a few years back, Rudy and Cd will gradually add the Elie, the Thorpe, or the Horry when the time is right.
     
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    I think we'll make the playoffs at best as a 7 seed. The west is a b****, and Eddie will probably be a player of consequence after his rookie year. Mo got the big money and he did show some real dominant flashes last year. As a cornerstone I look to see a lot more Taylor next year. Maybe he'll even reboud. I'm hoping for 50 wins...that should get us in
     
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    This team wasn't going to be a title contender even if they kept Dream and Webber. This is a young team contending for the playoffs, and they showed last year that they could win any game, I don't think losing Hakeem turns this into a team where you look into next season saying "This team doesn't have a chance of winning", because they will be much more mature, and experienced then they were last year.
     
  12. tinman

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    Don't forget that Steve Francis has improved each year. He bulked up last year and was much better than his 1st. This year, if he improves even a tiny bit, he'll be better than Gary Payton.

    We could be the Bucks of the Western Conference, where our guards dominate the other teams. Our big three would be Cat, Steve, and Mo (at least until Griffen develops into a better player).

    Rockets will make the playoffs this season and shock the world again (like Ralph and Dream did the Lakers in 85).
     
  13. GranvilleWaders

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    I disagree.. I think Dream and Webber would have definitely made us a title contender! It may not have been best for the far future but we could have gone deep in the playoffs!
     
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    This was a big offseason because we had so many question marks. We have so many free agents that could just go off to some other team. Where would we be if Mo, Shandon, and Moochie all decided to go sign somewhere else?

    We picked up a potential superstar and we lost an aging center that would spend a considerable amount of time on the IR anyway.

    This offseason could have been a lot worse...

    Now that Dream's gone, Steve and Cuttino will takeover as leaders and not defer to Dream. I'm looking forward to the New Rockets, it sucks Dream's gone, but now it's time for a new brand of basketball with no looking back to the slow dump it in offense of the past.
     
  15. GranvilleWaders

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    The off-season was defined because of what we could have done not what we could have lost.. I remember it not too long ago..I have a hard time believing that Francis or Mobley deferred anything to Dream..at least not to the point that they will be better players because he is gone.. the whole point is.. This team will not win a championship for the next two years and I think we all know it.. It's the glass is half full thing.. but right now It's half empty!
     
  16. Dennis2112

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    Since when do you grade an accomplishment on what could have happened and not what happened.

    Hindsight is 20/20......

    You cannot have it both ways.....
    On the one hand , you say because we did not get everything on our wish list that we failed but in the same sentence dismiss the fact that it could have been worse smacks of selective memory. To gauge how the off-season went, you need to look at both sides to properly evaluate the situation.
     
  17. ROCKETBOOSTER

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    Granvillewaders, please do tell what we could have done?

    Webber didn't want to come here.

    Dream never really considered staying.

    So do tell, what we could have done?
     
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    Webber didn't want to come? Thats the b.s. Had the Rockets came out and offered Webber a contract, he would have been with the Rockets. The rockets could have offered the same money almost the same money as sac. The Rockets could have signed Webber and re-signed Hakeem for 2 yrs. By that time Griffin would be a force at the 3, Webber would still be an all star, Francis would be too. Francis, Webber, Cat, Griffin, and Hakeem(for 2 years). I would put that lineup up against anybody.Cato, thomas,langhi, morris, collier, and colson off the bench. I would take that any day.
     
  19. GranvilleWaders

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    I am not trying to play GM.. I am simply saying that re-signing our existing free-agents was the last possible move to save anything and that's what we had to do..I believe this team wanted to better itself and make a run now..it just didn't work out that way..we did not acquire any free-agents..since you asked ..personally.. I wanted to keep MoTay ..and I think we could have made some different moves to keep Hakeem.. I am not a big fan of Shandon because he disappears for stretches of 10-15 games..i know we are about to sign him and as a result can't even look at Marc Jackson..looks like Shariff Abdur Rahim was available.. i would have like to seen that..just think of all the solid players that were moved this off-season..so whatever it takes to get rid of CATO ..maybe package Kenny Thomas anything.. I just would have liked to seen something done..how about..

    Francis,Mobley,SAR,Motay,Hakeem..just as an example there are many other possible combinations than just this.. that is a lineup for the now and not three years from now which is what we got! Maybe after this year I will sing Eddie Griffin's praises only time will tell on that.. until then...GO ROCKETS!!
     
  20. GranvilleWaders

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    I guess to sum this up.. I was very excited because I feel we had a lot of chips to play this off-season..

    cap room..three first round picks..possiblity of trading CATO and freeing more cap room..new arena coming.. Franchise and Mobley.. frankly I wish we would have done more than just re-sign our existing free-agents!
     

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