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  1. Clips/Roxfan

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    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insi...?page=lebron_week_teammate_rankings_hollinger

    Updated: May 17, 2010, 12:46 PM ET

    Finding the perfect mate

    Which superstar shines brightest next to King James?

    "LeBron Rating" reveals all.

    Email By John Hollinger

    ESPN Insider

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    The conference finals are under way, but let's be honest: The biggest story in the NBA is LeBron James' upcoming free-agency tour. Nothing less than the future of the league is at stake. OK, that might be a bit extreme, but you can argue that a player of his stature has never been available at such a young age. With that in mind, Insider brings you LeBron Week, a five-part look at every aspect of James' decision. First up, John Hollinger examines the best possible sidekick for LeBron.

    LeBron James hits free agency in six weeks, and we've read a lot of tea leaves about which landing spots would work best for him. But today, it's time to turn the analysis on its head: Which players would benefit most from teaming up with LeBron?


    For the purposes of brevity and sanity, I'm restricting the debate to star players who could plausibly team up with LeBron next year. Sure, Kobe Bryant would make a great teammate for King James, but I don't see that one as being terribly realistic.


    Instead, let's look at what, statistically, might make a player a good fit with LeBron and then work backward to determine which ones possess the most positive attributes.


    In order, here are the most important criteria:
     
  2. l3igballer23

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    Finding the perfect mate
    Which superstar shines brightest next to King James? "LeBron Rating" reveals all.

    The conference finals are under way, but let's be honest: The biggest story in the NBA is LeBron James' upcoming free-agency tour. Nothing less than the future of the league is at stake. OK, that might be a bit extreme, but you can argue that a player of his stature has never been available at such a young age. With that in mind, Insider brings you LeBron Week, a five-part look at every aspect of James' decision. First up, John Hollinger examines the best possible sidekick for LeBron.

    LeBron James hits free agency in six weeks, and we've read a lot of tea leaves about which landing spots would work best for him. But today, it's time to turn the analysis on its head: Which players would benefit most from teaming up with LeBron?

    For the purposes of brevity and sanity, I'm restricting the debate to star players who could plausibly team up with LeBron next year. Sure, Kobe Bryant would make a great teammate for King James, but I don't see that one as being terribly realistic.

    Instead, let's look at what, statistically, might make a player a good fit with LeBron and then work backward to determine which ones possess the most positive attributes.

    In order, here are the most important criteria:

    1. He will not hog the ball. LeBron ranked second in the NBA last year with a 32.2 usage rate, which doesn't leave a ton of possessions for another ball-hungry player. The fact is, LeBron's teammates will be playing off the ball most of the time, and anyone doing his own thing is just taking the ball out of LeBron's hands.

    Additionally, James' strength and stamina enable him to play 40 minutes 80 times per season, so there are relatively few opportunities for a ball-needy player to operate while LeBron is on the bench. This is one reason why many question how a LeBron-Dwyane Wade partnership would work -- Wade led the league in usage rate last year.

    2. He will space the floor.
    The ideal James teammate will play on the outside, not on the inside, because that creates maximum space for James to complete his freight train drives to the rim. The best complements are players who both take and make a large percentage of their shots from the perimeter. To rate this for our purposes, I used a player's shooting percentage on long 2-pointers this season, courtesy of NBA.com.

    3. He will finish what he starts.
    A high-usage player is going to have trouble pairing with LeBron, but a high-efficiency player should thrive. We're looking for players with a high true shooting percentage -- a player's shooting percentage adjusted for 3-pointers and free throws -- since those players can take best advantage of the shot opportunities LeBron creates for them.

    4. He will crash the boards
    . Wherever he goes, James is likely to lead the team in shot attempts ... and in misses. That's why an Anderson Varejao-type who crashes the boards can be so successful as one of his teammates. While few star players fit this profile, there are a couple who supplement their scoring with offensive boards, and they'd make better complements for James.

    So we have four key metrics we're looking at for in an ideal James teammate -- low usage rate, high TS%, high offensive rebound rate and strong outside shooting numbers. The "low usage" requirement is relative, as every star will be above the league average in that category; similarly, the bar for offensive rebound rate needs to be set low, since most stars are taking the shots, not collecting the misses. Nonetheless, this at least provides some guidelines for our star search.

    Using this data, I created a "LeBron Rating" for each player by taking three-fourths of the player's true shooting percentage, subtracting half his usage rate, adding his offensive rebound rate and subtracting twice his turnover rate.

    From that, we get results that neatly split the top dogs on the league's primary LeBron contenders into five groups:

    Potential LeBron teammates: a comparison
    Player Usg TS% TO Off. Reb. Long 2% LeBron Rating
    Chris Bosh 25.9 59.2 9.6 9.9 46.3 71.7
    Dirk Nowitzki 26.1 57.8 7.0 3.1 47.2 69.3
    David Lee 22.2 58.4 10.0 8.4 43.9 68.6
    Amare Stoudemire 24.4 61.5 11.6 9.7 41.0 66.6
    Carlos Boozer 23.1 59.9 12.3 8.2 45.2 65.9
    Joe Johnson 25.3 53.8 7.2 3.0 42.1 61.3
    Rudy Gay 21.0 53.5 9.5 4.2 40.8 58.8
    Derrick Rose 26.3 53.2 9.8 2.6 44.3 56.3
    Dwyane Wade 33.2 56.2 9.8 4.5 35.8 51.4
    Devin Harris 25.2 51.2 10.9 1.2 39.1 47.3
    Baron Davis 24.7 50.1 10.8 2.4 36.0 45.6

    The perfect companion: Chris Bosh

    Bosh hits every check mark on the list above. He's an outstanding midrange shooter who would provide a fearsome weapon on the pick-and-pop, something James has never really had in Cleveland. His offensive rebound rate (9.9 percent) was in the top third of power forwards, which is amazing considering how often he played outside. His turnover rate was in the bottom third and his TS% (59.2) was outstanding.

    Near-perfect companions: Dirk Nowitzki, Amare Stoudemire, David Lee, Carlos Boozer
    The lesson here: Pairing LeBron with a floor-spacing 4 can be really, really effective. We'll start with Nowitzki, the gold standard in this category. Dallas doesn't have the cap space to pursue LeBron, but that doesn't mean they won't try like the dickens with some combo of Erick Dampier's nonguaranteed deal, talented prospect Rodrigue Beaubois and any other goodies ($3 million and a future first-rounder, for instance) they can muster.

    If they pulled it off, Dirk and LeBron would make a fearsome pair. Nowitzki doesn't rebound like Bosh does but is an even better outside shooter; and, as with Bosh, Nowitzki has both a low turnover rate and a high TS%.

    Stoudemire isn't as good an outside shooter, but he's solid from midrange and otherwise possesses similar qualities as Bosh -- a stellar TS% (61.5), a strong offensive rebound rate and a fairly low rate of turnovers.

    Lee and Boozer are birds of a feather when it comes to playing with LeBron -- they both can stick a midrange jumper but their primary value comes in slamming home offensive rebounds and making hard dives to the basket after they set screens. Boozer (59.9) and Lee (58.4) both had strong TS% and low turnover rates, and are good offensive rebounders; one worry, however, is that neither can defend a twig.

    Now we're forcing things a bit: Rudy Gay, Joe Johnson, Derrick Rose
    On the perimeter, Johnson and Gay would each provide James with a huge tag-team partner on the wing; this might be less than ideal defensively against quicker 2s but would be pretty fearsome on offense. However, both players are more comfortable playing with the ball and neither is a high-percentage sniper; Johnson (53.8) and Gay (53.2) had middling TS% stats and only average offensive rebound rates. While both numbers might increase in a subordinate role, it's not the killer combo that the four power forwards above provide.

    Similarly, Rose's game is hardly a perfect match for James. He wants the ball in his hands (second among point guards in usage rate), and while he's a very good midrange shooter, he doesn't have the catch-and-shoot, long-range game that would help space the floor for LeBron when he's off the ball. While Rose is likely to improve in the coming years, and would form a devastating running mate in transition, the combo isn't ideal.

    Whole less than sum of its parts: Dwyane Wade, Devin Harris

    Let's get this straight: LeBron with Wade would be awesome together because of their overwhelming talent. But it's naive to think that pairing the two stars wouldn't subtract from the output of each. Wade had the league's highest usage rate this past season, is a limited jump shooter and is relatively turnover prone. Playing off the ball, he'd be far less useful than a Bosh or a Nowitzki.

    Harris has a similar issue -- he's a straight dribble-driver who doesn't have a role to play off the ball. Like Rose and Wade, he's at his best when he can be the one at the top of the key handling the ball and slashing through defenses. As a catch-and-shoot weapon, he's mediocre at best.

    The worst: Baron Davis

    The Los Angeles Clippers want to sell James on the quality of the four players they already have in place, but the best of the bunch (Davis) could hardly be less suited to playing with him. A stubborn ball-dominator who shoots erratically, Davis' TS% (50.1) was among the worst of NBA stars. Spotting up on the weak side from James, he'd be more than happy to hoist 3s and, unfortunately, that's a problem, since he converts so few of them.
     
  3. BrooksBall

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    Delonte West is the perfect mate for James.

    For Ms. James, that is.
     
  4. Clips/Roxfan

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    thanks so much dude....
     
  5. ommy48

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    "This is typical Hollinger garbage


    This formula was calculated by taking three-fourths of a player’s TS%, subtracting half his usage rate, added his offensive rebound rate and subtracted twice his turnover rate to get a “LeBron rating.”

    The rankings after applying this formula? (To a selected batch of players)?

    Chris Bosh 71.7
    Dirk Nowitzki 69.3
    David Lee 68.6
    Amare 66.6
    Carlos Boozer 65.9
    Joe Johnson 61.3
    Rudy Gay 58.8
    Derrick Rose 56.3
    Dwyane Wade 51.4
    Devin Harris 47.3
    Baron Davis 45.6

    Hmmmm…wonder why, when it focuses only on offensive rebounds, it favors PFs…must be a coincidence! So…

    Here’s me making fun of Hollinger and doing my own LeBron rating:

    I took three-fourths of a player’s TS%, subtracted half his usage rate, added his assist rate (instead of offensive rebound rating (wtf?)) and subtracted twice his turnover rate to get a “LeBron rating.”

    Same players, re-ranked under the “modified” Hollinger ranking that favors guards instead of power forwards:

    Baron Davis: 33.0
    Dwayne Wade: 32.4
    Derrick Rose: 30.7
    Devin Harris: 28.2
    Joe Johnson: 25.9
    Nowitzki: 25.2
    Lee: 21.4
    Boozer: 19.2
    Bosh: 18.6
    Amare: 13.3
    Gay: 12.8

    You see? Not that hard to make a stat that favors one position over another. This is a flawed way of doing it. “There can be no disputing: Baron Davis would be the perfect teammate for LeBron!!!! He’s gonna go to the clips!”

    Ugh, sorry Hollinger but you need to work on your subtlety.

    Even if I removed the assists/offensive rebounds, it’d still be a horrible metric since it’s purely offensive based. I don’t know if Hollinger knows, but it’s a two way game and TO/USG/TS are primarily offensive metrics."
     
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    If you have offensive rebounding rate, obviously guards are going to suffer.

    IS Hollinger stupid?
     
  7. iconoclastic

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    Kevin Martin would be a great fit next to LeBron...
     
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    a healthy Yao and Martin would be awesome next the bron bron.
     
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    Actually, I like the logic he is using to come up with his stat. I would be curious to see how Yao and Martin and Brooks rate in his stat. I actually think Brooks/Martin, as spot up shooters outside, really play nicely with Lebron. They could also run the court with him. Heck, Lowry might even be a better fit than Brooks to run with Lebron. And I think Yao, while a nice post presence, has a solid midrange game and doesn't demand the ball. So I think he fits as well. Not sure I like Scola as a fit with him on the surface though.

    Not saying we'll go after Lebron or anything like that, but I do think we have a team that would be a really nice fit for his skills.
     
  10. smoothie

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    well isn't it obvious that the best teammate to pair with a star perimeter athlete is one who doesn't need the ball on the perimeter to be effective?

    pairing lebron with steve nash, for example, would under utilize both players since one of them would have to work off the ball which isn't a strong suit of either. the idea is to find a player who's production won't be compromised by playing with lebron but enhanced.

    if you would look to find the best teammate for a guy like dwight howard, any sort of rebound rate wouldn't be a factor since he gets so many rebounds. you also wouldn't want to pair him with a guy who can only score in the low post since thats the only place howard can play. pairing him with a star PF wouldn't help the team as much as pairing him with a guy who is a high % outside shooter. but then you might call hollinger stupid for a "dwight rating" that favors guards.
     
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    Does Hollinger not remember that Shaq was even younger when he signed with the Lakers as a free agent?
     
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    This. It amazes me how some people are so quick to criticize writers who they don't like and miss the entire point of the article in the first place.
     
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    How is 'usage rate' calculated?

    I get that Lebron/Wade wouldn't work in theory because they both have such high usage rates (i.e. need the ball) but isn't that mitigated by the fact that the rest of the Heat were such crap that Wade had to have the ball for them to win?
     
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    I don't see how this is a counter-argument. If you have a star-perimeter player, an ideal partner is typically a star big. That's pretty traditional.
     
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    the article which was requested by the OP was the first of a 5 part series that espn is doing on lebron this week. rather than start a new thread i think it would be cool to just add the rest of the series into this thread. here is part 2. enjoy!

     

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