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[IGN] NBA 2K8 Preview

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I haven't followed this game as well as I should have, but I think this is one of the first previews for the game (not counting stuff about the dunk contest). If not, oh well, here's another preview:
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/817/817122p1.html

Visual Concepts and 2K Games brought the thunder last year with NBA 2K7. And though some might have thought having an aging Shaq Diesel on the cover signified the series was feeling its age, that couldn't have been further from the truth. NBA 2K7 was one of VC's strongest hoops offerings in years. Well, if anyone out there thought the NBA 2K series was getting a little long in the tooth, take note of new 2K8 coverboy Chris Paul. He's young, fresh, exciting, and just on the verge of superstardom. Paul is a fitting coverboy as NBA 2K8 feels as if it has been infused with a new energy and some new innovations.

It begins with the rebuilt AI. The new AI is deadly against those who have zero hoops knowledge. If your idea of a basketball game is constantly driving to the hole, no matter who's handling the rock and who's standing in their way, then you're in for a rude awakening. NBA 2K8 will punish those who make foolish plays. The AI takes advantage of aggressiveness. Dribble too much and the AI will strip you. Drive down the lane every possession and you'll find a big man will start stepping up to take the charge and knock you on your ass.

Play smart hoops and you will be rewarded. The defense properly collapses when Shaq gets the ball in deep. And the AI, now often seen moving without the ball, will likely set Dwyane Wade behind the arc. Pass out of the triple-team and Wade is left wide open. Players such as Wade and Nash, who rarely miss those open shots, aren't going to miss them in 2K8. Think about it. How often have you seen Nash find spacing and drain a wide-open shot? All the time. He's almost automatic. But in most hoops games, soulless mathematics are used to determine an artificial probability of that little orange ball going through the hoop. And too often that ball clanks. I've seen first hand that if Nash pulls up and no one is around him, in 2K8, he's banging that home.

At the same time, the 2K team realized that there are some players who can drive into traffic and will the ball into the hoops. Kobe, KG, Agent Zero. Whether it's pushing through and slamming a dunk over a defender or finding a way to teardrop the ball through the hoop, some players just have a knack for draining clutch shots in traffic. Those players now have a specific rating in NBA 2K8, so that once impossible shots can sometimes be possible. That isn't to say you won't see harsh rejections of even the most dominant players, but no longer is every player treated as equal with a defender's hand in his face.

Things are a little more sophisticated away from the paint as well. Each player now has a rating judging how good they are shooting off the dribble. Kobe may just be one of the very best in this category. How often do we see an awkward jumpshot off a dribble drained by Kobe? NBA 2K8 recognizes there are some players better at setting their feet and shooting and others that have a gift for dropping shots on the move. Again, all of this is meant to better individuate NBA players. You want Tony Parker to play differently than Leandro Barbosa. You want Nash and Dirk to both be highly-skilled but different to control. From the game I played of NBA 2K8, that dream is closer to reality than it has been in a long time for Visual Concepts.

In hopes to add even more realism to its sim franchise, Visual Concepts implemented new footplanting technology. The new animation and physics system requires that every crossover and post move have the necessary footwork to make it real. In the past you could use the Isomotion system to break from a crossover and then instantly hit a spin move. While it looked cool, some of the animations were physically impossible. Now, players must plant their foot to properly push off. It makes some of the moves slower to respond, but it also makes NBA 2K8 feel a touch more grounded than its predecessors. Movement and momentum were a major focus for VC this year and its shows.

The drawback to the new system is that the once fluid animation chains are gone. The build I played had some jerky transitions at times. While individual animations looked great, they don't connect well together. This is something VC is tweaking and hopefully can improve before NBA 2K8 ships in early October. Aside from the jerkiness, NBA 2K8 is a visual improvement over last year's model. The crowds in particular look much better. And those chunky bodies have been slimmed down a bit, so players appear more like their true selves than very tall IGN editors.

As with so many aspects of NBA 2K8, Isomotion has also seen some tweaks. Things have been simplified. Just use the Left Thumbstick for basic moves and the Right Trigger as a modifier. Nothing more than that. Anyone who's been playing with the Isomotion system the past few years should have no trouble adjusting to the changes. Though, I will say that those who used to rely solely on Isomotion to get to the hoop will find that the AI will make this tougher than in recent years.

One offense, you'll notice a set of five bars beneath the ball handler that look like a cell phone reception meter. This shows a player's hot zones. Every player has been given zones compiled from their past five years in the NBA. But rather than show these zones as an overlay, as EA's NBA Live 08 does, 2K8's interface is a bit more clever. The bar immediately lets you know that LeBron is golden from anywhere on the court and Yao Ming shouldn't be outside the arc.

The bars also come in three colors. Blue is for a cold streak, yellow for no streak, and red for a hot streak. Streaks are determined by how well you are shooting. So, again, if you take smart shots, you're going to be more likely to get on a hot streak. This won't set the ball on fire or mean that every three you throw up will hit nothing but net, but it will give a slight boost to your ratings. Streaks shouldn't be confused with a player's clutch rating. Clutch Factor only comes into play in the fourth quarter and speaks more to a player's consistency in big moments rather than a major boost to overall ratings. Robert Horry is about as clutch as they come, but you still have to get him open shots.

While your or I might have called it a day with all these improvements, VC soldiered on. Next on the hit list is the post game. Let's face it, post play has never been as perimeter play. NBA 2K8 hopes to change that with a more refined post option. The biggest change in the post are your options. Players have a far greater range of shot options and moves. And the post doesn't feel as artificial, as if it's some mini-game within a game. While after one game I can't say it's the greatest thing since jelly on toast, it's certainly faster and more exhilarating than in 2K7.

On defense, there has been one significant addition. Players now have the option to engage Lock-on D. Get in front of the ball handler and, if your player is a good enough defender, a target icon appears below the player. When you see it, hold the Left Trigger to initiate Lock-on D. You'll need to adjust your player to match the offensive player's moves, but the CPU will help guide you to keep you close. If you just stand there and do nothing, the other player can easily drive by you. But if you see the ball handler move to the right, move towards the right and your defender will be more likely to cut them off. With some skill, you can keep players from driving the lane and even ride a player out of bounds.

This advantage is only brief and can be countered with the right moves. A quick player can try and just turbo past the defender. Or you can pass out of the Lock-on D. Or fake one way and move the other. The Lock-on D is meant to be a guide for the player, but also to help make the game a little more believable. A great defender shouldn't be beaten time after time by a mediocre shooter. But that happened a lot in previous iterations. My only issue with the Lock-on D is that it actually became a distraction. Too often I got caught waiting for the target icon to appear and not relying on my own skills at defense. It's a system that might require a few games to get the hang of, but hopefully it doesn't end up being too artificial.

When the buzzer rings and the crowd begins filing out of the arena, you still have reason to avoid quitting to the main menu. The post game show starts with the Jordan Player of the Game. You'll see the player's stats and their highlight reel. It even shows their hot zones and how well they shot around the court. Then comes the top 3 plays of the game. If that's not enough, you get signature highlights for every player. Let's say you play Celtics vs. Suns. You can click on Kevin Garnett and see his highlight reel. Then check out all of Nash's dope dishes. And Barbosa's sweet jumpers. If that isn't enough, you can go through a catalogue of every single play in the entire game and choose any replay you want to watch. That's hot.

NBA 2K8 still has a few rough edges. The animations aren't as fluid as they should be and I'm not completely sold on the new Lock-on D system. That said, from everything I've seen and played in NBA 2K8, it's hard to imagine any other game will be able to step up and take its crown this year. This is certainly one of Visual Concepts most promising games of the past few years.
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http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/817/817122/nba-2k8-20070830063659076.jpg
More screens at IGN.

#1 RC Cola, Aug 30, 2007

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Just read this and it sounds great so far.

Here is another hands-on preview:

http://vetzballin.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=53

First off I'd like to thank Anthony Chau for taking the time for showing us a build of NBA 2K8 that was roughly 80% complete. The team is still working on nailing down the player motion to eliminate as much skating on the floor as was seen sometimes in last year's game. I mentioned to him that sometimes the isomotion moves weren't as smooth as they could've been last year, and you got stuck in canned animations as the moves were finishing. Something he agreed with and assured me that they were working on delivering as tight as player control as possible.

The first thing that jumped out at me was how well done the player models were looking, even from afar. Kevin Garnett looked exactly like himself, especially on post moves. From his body type, to the shape of his head, 2K nailed him. The movements of the player's shorts looked even more fluid than last year. On the announcing side Craig Sager, Kenny Smith and crew are back calling the action and from what I heard, the announcing sounds similiar to last year but they do have some new lines thrown in. Personally, I liked the crew, so this was good to see.

Gameplay. Aside from the overall game speed being a tad bit slower, the game moved very smoothly, and it was a upgrade from last year. Passing was improved as the ball moved crisply instead of those lazy passes you saw sometimes in 2K7. I still saw some players jumping for passes when catching the ball on the break, but this did not deter from the transistion game. Rebounding, sometimes a sore spot last year, seemed more intuitive this year as I didn't see any balls touch the court like we saw all too often in 2K7. Players really seemed more aggressive attacking the ball as it came off the rim. If you noticed that I keep comparing the game to last year, that's just to accentuate how much this game has improved over it's predecessor.

Another element that got a huge upgrade was the dual player control. If you remember last year, dual player was kind of hit and miss. Too many times you'd set a command for a player and the A.I. would fail to execute it correctly. This has been addressed this year by new off-ball controls which will give the player a lot more flexibility on the court. Essentially the system lets you chose a two-man play to run. For example, if I'm controlling my point guard, I'll first call the play (left bumper), and you'll see the four plays pop up, get open, come off a screen, got to the post or set a screen for another player. In this instance, I'll use Jamal Crawford here, I told him to run off a screen. I immediately saw Crawford highlighted (indicated by the 'rb" icon over his head) and he runs the play accordingly. In this case, Eddy Curry moved out to set the screen for Crawford to run off of. After Crawford reached the open spot on the floor, a button icon appeared over his head and you have to press the corresponding button to pass him the ball. It even goes further as you also have the option of taking control of Crawford before he makes his move. You can select any player on the court by using the D-pad, then you can call the play with the point guard. Still using Crawford as the example, say I highlighted him first (d-pad to select him, "rb" indicated highlighted player), I then have the option of taking control of him by pressing the "rb" bumper. I can still tell Crawford to come off the screen, but only this time I'll be controlling him and have to move accordingly as the play calls for. It may sound complicated at first, but after awhile it will become second nature.

Another thing Anthony stressed to me was, they wanted to make playing defense fun in NBA 2K8. As most of us remember, that could be quite a chore in 2K7 at times. This year the focus is on defense and improving the defensive controls. On display was the new lock-on defensive system that assists the user in playing tighter defense on the ball handler. To initiate it, you hold down the left trigger and you'll see a small target start pulsing under the player's feet. Once it's complete, your defender will be locked onto the ball handler. This system is tied into the defensive attributes of the players, so poor defenders will have a much harder time locking down the ball handler. When I said assists the user earlier, that means the CPU will kick in and help you play defense. This isn't to say ankles can't be broken anymore, as I saw a few players even locked on to the ball handler, still get beat off the dribble. But overall, I liked what I saw, the defenders played the ball handler a lot more agressively when you locked on. Keep in mind when the ball swings to another player, you'll have to initiate the lock down process all over again with the next player. So you'll want to choose wisely who you want to guard tighter.

NBA 2K8 also has a system that is an answer to NBA Live 08's hot spots. You'll notice under every player's feet a small icon that looks similiar to cell phone reception bars. The icon represents each player's shot tendecies at different areas of the court. This data was compliled from real life NBA data, to ensure every player plays as close to their real life counterpart as possible. This system will indicate when a player is close to his hot spots on the floor and whether he's hot or cold. As the player moves closer to his spot, the yellow bars in the start to fill up. So you can imagine that Rip Hamilton's icon was completely filled from any midrange shot on the floor. If a player gets hot, that is indicated by red bars in the icon. If you're laying bricks all over the court, the icon will have blue bars. I just want to stress that, just because a guy's icon is completely filled, that does not ensure that he will make the shot everytime. I saw Nash miss a few close ones inside despite him having the icon filled because the shot was contested. So these are just tendencies, not assurances.

A few misellaneous things I noticed:

- Free throw system has returned from 2K7
- on the fly subs are back
- Half time show has been scaled down considerably. Instead more of a focus was put into the post game wrap up. Kenny Smith will have the plays of the game and you also have the option of viewing any replay of any player that partcipated in that game. Want to show your boy that bogus foul on Marbury back in the first quarter? You can call that particular play up with a DVD-styled menu with the player's name highlighted.

- Association has been beefed up. Players now have roles that can adversely affect team chemistry. You might want to play that dynamite rookie you have, but it might be at some veteran player's expense. These kind of decisions will affect the team chemistry.

- Slam dunk contest had more players from what was seen last time. Added in were high flyers like David Thompson and Dr. J.

From what I've seen in the short time with the game, it has improved considerably from last year. In the coming weeks Vetz will have more coverage on the game as soon as possible. In the interim, stay tuned for an exclusive NBA developer interview that will cover any loose ends not in this preview. Look for that in about two weeks. NBA 2K8 releases on October 2nd, on the 360, PS3, Xbox and PS2 consoles.
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Hopefully we'll start getting some gameplay vids soon as well as more info on franchise.

#2 mogrod, Aug 30, 2007
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Looks pretty good, im definitely getting it.

#3 rhino17, Aug 30, 2007
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I just bought 2k7 for PS3 and like it. Depending on how reviews are I may skip this one.

#4 Poloshirtbandit, Aug 30, 2007
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are any nba games going to come out for the wii?

#5 yaoluv, Aug 30, 2007
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yaoluv said:

are any nba games going to come out for the wii?
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I dont know. But that would be pretty cool if they could incorporate dribbling into the controllers.

#6 rhino17, Aug 30, 2007
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Actually I just checked and ther ewill be an nba live for the wii

http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductDetail?sku=7674075&oext=1038A&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=7674075

#7 rhino17, Aug 30, 2007

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2k7 is a really fun game to play with your buddies at the house... the online play however is garbage. wayyy more negatives about online play than positives. Its so hard to get a legit game with a legit player.

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couple of d's said:

2k7 is a really fun game to play with your buddies at the house... the online play however is garbage. wayyy more negatives about online play than positives. Its so hard to get a legit game with a legit player.
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I used to play in a PS2 online league. If you find the right people it can be fun.

#9 Poloshirtbandit, Aug 30, 2007
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Basketball games typically suck. I haven't genuinely enjoyed one since NBA Live 96. If you are a fan of major sports football was where it was at. 2K was good, better than Live at the time.

Then 2k7 came out for next gen. Changed everything. Best Bball game of all time IMO, best major sports game of the year. Can't wait for 2K8. NBA Live which most have given up on has some intriguing aspects cooking. But I give it no chance.

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Halo3 one week, NBA2k8 the next.

The makings of Best Week Ever!!!

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Sextuple Double said:

Halo3 one week, NBA2k8 the next.

The makings of Best Week Ever!!!
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I have that week marked down...Not sure how Im gonna manage my hours.

#12 rezdawg, Aug 31, 2007
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I dont know. But that would be pretty cool if they could incorporate dribbling into the controllers.
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lol, that would be very lame. if you want to dribble, why not go outside and shoot some real hoops? And with the different types of dribble moves like crossovers, spins and even a simple ball hand switch, it seems it would be difficult to emulate.

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man i have mastered 2k7 i've been waiting for 2k8 since may.... cant wait to play with the new look rockets... woooooooooooo **** I CANT WAIT!

#14 Showtizzle2642, Aug 31, 2007
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Trailer from Gamespot:
http://www.gamespot.com/video/939852/6178003/nba-2k8-official-trailer-1

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I've been wanting an off-the-dribble rating for years. Tired of noobs just running up with guys like Bruce Bowen and Robert Horry and firing 3's in my grill.

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Another preview by IGN, this time about the Association:
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/818/818513p1.html

The franchise mode in almost every sports game has suffered from the same problem: unrealistic and downright bad trade and player logic. Trades are just a matter of matching up ratings, signing free agents comes down to having enough to spend (since you're always first in line), and player morale is simplistic and often broken. NBA 2K8 may have the solution, with a revamped Association Mode that puts personality into every single NBA player and future draft pick.

Every player is assigned one of four personality types:

* Neutral: This covers the majority of NBA players. They don't suffer from many of the issues associated with the other three types. Examples: Michael Redd, Chris Paul, Shawn Marion

* Laid Back: This player doesn't often show emotion and usually ignores what others may perceive as an insult. At the same time, they aren't know for inspiring a team with their energy. Examples: Tim Duncan, Grant Hill, Ray Allen

* Expressive: When this player's not happy, you, the team, and the media know about it. But this player can also have a positive effect on a team so long as they are kept happy. These guys wear their emotions on their sleeves. Examples: Rasheed Wallace, Vince Carter, Sam Cassell

* Unpredictable: You just don't know what you are going to get with these types of players. They may suddenly lash out at a coach or just sit quietly and say everything is okay, even if it's not. Examples: Allen Iverson, Zach Randolph, Ron Artest

One personality isn't necessarily better than another. In fact, NBA 2K8 is designed so that, like a real hoops team, it's best to have a mix of personalities. A team full of Laid Back players will be just that -- laid back. Team chemistry and morale, while less likely to go sour, will also build far slower without some energetic personalities. On the other hand, two big stars that are both Expressive may clash. But a Batman & Robin tandem of an Expressive point guard and a Laid Back small forward may be able to work some real magic over their careers together. Managing the personas of your players and creating the right blend for your team will be crucial to succeeding in The Association.

Player personalities are only one half of the mix that makes The Association look so promising this year. For the first time, users can define every player's role on the team. Depending on a player's persona, their overall rating, and career, they will have specific expectations of the role they should play on a team. That includes number of minutes played, but also factors in how they are being utilized on the court.

There are five roles that can be set for players. Each role includes several potential sub-roles that further define player expectations. In this way, you can have five starters that each have an understanding of their place on the team (that doesn't mean they have to be happy about it):

Starter: This player expects to be in the starting five of every game and play a significant amount of minutes.

* I want you to be the star of the team.
* Your position as a starter is guaranteed.
* You're replaceable if an upgrade comes along.

6th Man: Usually the first man off the bench, these guys are often good enough to be starters and are the leaders on the court when substitutions are made. And yes, you can have more than one 6th Man on a team.

* We need you to bring some energy off the bench.
* You might not be a starter, but playing time will be ample.
* You will have plenty of opportunities to prove yourself.

Role Player: This might be a defensive specialist or perimeter shooter -- someone who is on the team to perform a very specific function.

* We need some energy and depth off the bench.
* Your minutes will be limited, but you will get a chance.
* We need your versatility off the bench; playing time will be sporadic.
* Our young players need a mentor; playing time will be limited.

Prospect: This is someone who has a great deal of potential, but isn't quite ready for a full-time job in the NBA. They expect to play a few minutes each night, but won't carry much of the load.

* You will have a solid career, but you're not ready yet.
* We believe in you, but you need more time to develop.

Bench Warmer: These scrubs are the Jack Haleys of the NBA, there to fill out the 12-man roster and clap a lot on the pine.

* Playing time will be very limited.
* You will only see playing time if we get hit with injuries.
* We need you to fill out the roster.

Personality and player roles factor into almost every aspect of The Association. Let's say you are playing as the Celtics and, just to be a jerk, you decide to make KG a Role Player. Because of his rating, KG knows he should be a starter. If KG were an explosive personality, this could become trouble instantly. But since KG is Laid Back, he may bite his lip and just take it. But his morale will slowly tumble. And if the team begins to lose with KG riding pine (even in sims, you can designate the number of minutes players are on the court), the team chemistry will start to sour. And if team chemistry drops, some of the more hot-headed players on the team may start having an adverse reaction. All of this as a result of your benching a player who expects (and deserves) to be a starter.

This also factors into signing and trading players. Let's say you decide to bench Paul Pierce for a few games. He may become so upset that he demands a trade. In fact, you can damage the relationship so much that it will be very difficult to regain Pierce's trust. What can you do but trade him? Problem is, the AI knows Paul Pierce is demanding a trade. So, with your hand forced, Pierce's trade value plummets. And should you keep Pierce, it will cost you quite a lot of cash to convince him to resign.

When signing free agents or even re-signing players currently on your team, you'll have to do more than just offer cash. You can also include a no trade clause, player and team options, and define the role/sub-role. You can try and over-promise a player a role to get them at a lower value, but you may end up screwing yourself later if they don't get the minutes. In this way, players are called on their BS signing tactics that allowed them to easily overload a team with talent.

Age and a player's history also play a part in contract negotiations. Younger players are usually more interested in getting a big pay day, even if it means playing on a sub-par team.But an older player who hasn't won a ring may take less money and a reduced role to be on a good team. And yes, you team's winning percentage does factor into player decisions. So Golden State will have a tougher time attracting a superstar than Phoenix.

Free agency is going to be a bit tougher on GMs this year. In the past, you had first dibs on every player out there. Now there are days and weeks of negotiations where a player weighs a variety of offers. Your Lakers may be able to offer Gilbert Arenas more cash than the Pistons, but will you risk promising Agent Zero a role equal or greater than Kobe's? Doing so could create a major disaster by mid-season.

Once the signing process is over and you've drafted your rookies (each with their own personalities and expectations), it's time for training camp. There are more than a dozen different training regiments to increase the aspects of a player's game. Throughout the previous season, you've earned Reward Points for completing specific tasks (win the Championship, be named Coach of the Year, etc.). These points are then spent to train your players. Put some extra weight on Shaq just for laughs or try and improve D-Wade's perimeter defense. It's up to you.

In theory, all of these elements should make for a dynamic and realistic franchise mode. How well all of this works over the course of several seasons remains to be seen. But, from our time fooling around with The Association, it appears 2K is going to give gamers something special this October.
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They also have some new gameplay videos I believe.

#17 RC Cola, Sep 6, 2007
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So is it safe to say I should get 2k8 over Live, or not yet?

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WhoMikeJames said:

So is it safe to say I should get 2k8 over Live, or not yet?
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It's been safe to say that you should get 2K over Live for many years now.

#19 Drexlerfan22, Sep 6, 2007
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WhoMikeJames said:

So is it safe to say I should get 2k8 over Live, or not yet?
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Yeah bro, for a few years now, the 2K series has dominated Live...dont even think about this one, 2K8 all the way.

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