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Hypocrisy: Hollywood Style

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by F.D. Khan, Feb 26, 2007.

  1. vlaurelio

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    2200 X 20 = 10000 :eek:
     
  2. UTweezer

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    i wouldn't necessarily say one person uses more than another, its all a drop in the pan...

    collectively, all of us use/waste way too much. 95% of everything we touch and use daily was created by some type of fuel.

    hey that shirt your wearing, it didn't just suddenly create itself....The plastic keyboard I'm typing on?

    that money we put into our banks? It gets loaned out to small businesses...and do these businesses run without energy?





    "Capitalist production, therefore, develops technology, and the combining together of various processes into a social whole, only by sapping the original sources of all wealth - the soil and the labourer."
     
  3. SamFisher

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    Yes I forgot his campaign platform of making people live in smaller houses to save the environment.

    Hey by the way you are a BIG FAT HYPOCRITE since you are saying that Edwards should consume less than he can afford. I presume you are a captialist - well you are one BIG FAT HYPOCRITE of a capitalist if you say this. How does it feel to be a BIG FAT HYPOCRITE?

    See how easy this game is?
     
  4. deepblue

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    Are you freaking kidding me? He did say "sacrifice", and he sure isn't really sacrificing anything. Energy star compliant my as*, how about living in a 4000 square feet house instead of 10000, that will save more energy than any fancy energy star window he puts up.

    You guys are incredible, you are the same people calling out Bush for giving tax breaks to the rich. Calling out rich Americans for not contributing enough, yet you all jump to defend John Edwards.

    Its about rhetoric for you guys.
     
  5. deepblue

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    At least he isn't telling everyone else to "sacrifice". Is it really that hard for you to speak the obvious?

    It is what it is, Edwards has the money to build a big house, good for him. But he wants others to sacrifice in order to reduce energy use, when he himself is not doing that, it makes him a HYPOCRITE.
     
  6. gifford1967

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    Gore’s family gets 100 percent green power through Green Power Switch in Tennesee and has installed solar panels and other energy saving technology.

    Gore purchases carbon offsets to offset the family’s carbon footprint, including air travel.

    Source- http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/26/gore-responds-to-drudge/


    These attacks on Gore are really quite lame. He has taken head on one of the most pressing global problems and is having a real impact. Your grandkids are going to be thankful there was a guy like him around at this time, if they are able to enjoy a semi-healthy environment. While they are still paying off the Bush debt.
     
  7. ROXRAN

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    Al Gore,...not just the Devil. Al Gore is an inconvenient hyprocrit...I'm agnostic bout this global warming crap, but c'mon Al Gore talk and talk and walk the walk especially since you are a supposed person of leadership...I think the whole inconvenient truth is doing what you say for all of us to do is inconvenient for you!...Multiple homes, a private jet and one in Beal Meade that has 8 toilets to flush all your crap used more kilowatts in one month than an typical home uses in an entire year... nice!

    Funny...
     
  8. Faos

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    Well, he needs to get his money back for the solar panels


    POWER: GORE MANSION USES 20X AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD; CONSUMPTION INCREASE AFTER 'TRUTH'

    Mon Feb 26 2007 17:16:14 ET

    Nashville Electric Service/Gore House

    2006

    High 22619 kWh Aug – Sept
    Low 12541 kWh Jan - Feb
    Average: 18,414 kWh per month

    2005

    High 20532 Sept - October
    Low 12955 Feb - March
    Average: 16,200 kWh per month

    Bill amounts

    2006 – $895.60 (low) $1738.52 (high) $1359 (average)
    2005 – $853.91 (low) $1461 (high)

    Nashville Gas Company

    Main House
    2006 – $990(high) $170 (low) $536 (average)
    2005 – $1080 (high) $200 (low) $640 (average)

    Guest House/Pool House

    2006 – $820 (high) $70 (low) $544 (average)
    2005 – $1025 (high) $25 (low) $525 (average)

    The Tennessee Center for Policy Research, an independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research organization, issued a press release late Monday:

    Last night, Al Gore’s global-warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, collected an Oscar for best documentary feature, but the Tennessee Center for Policy Research has found that Gore deserves a gold statue for hypocrisy.

    Gore’s mansion, [20-room, eight-bathroom] located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).

    In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.

    The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.

    Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.

    Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore’s energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.

    Gore’s extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore’s mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.

    “As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk to walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use,” said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.

    In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006.

    For Further Information, Contact:
    Nicole Williams, (615) 383-6431
    editor@tennesseepolicy.org

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  9. ROXRAN

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    Graciously, Gore tells consumers how to change their lives to curb their carbon-gobbling ways: Switch to compact fluorescent light bulbs, use a clothesline, drive a hybrid, use renewable energy, dramatically cut back on consumption. Better still, responsible global citizens can follow Gore's example, because, as he readily points out in his speeches, he lives a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." But if Al Gore is the world's role model for ecology, the planet is doomed.

    For someone who says the sky is falling, he does very little. He says he recycles and drives a hybrid. And he claims he uses renewable energy credits to offset the pollution he produces when using a private jet to promote his film. (In reality, Paramount Classics, the film's distributor, pays this.)

    Public records reveal that as Gore lectures Americans on excessive consumption, he and his wife Tipper live in two properties: a 10,000-square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a 4,000-square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in Carthage, Tenn.) For someone rallying the planet to pursue a path of extreme personal sacrifice, Gore requires little from himself.

    Then there is the troubling matter of his energy use. In the Washington, D.C., area, utility companies offer wind energy as an alternative to traditional energy. In Nashville, similar programs exist. Utility customers must simply pay a few extra pennies per kilowatt hour, and they can continue living their carbon-neutral lifestyles knowing that they are supporting wind energy. Plenty of businesses and institutions have signed up. Even the Bush administration is using green energy for some federal office buildings, as are thousands of area residents.

    But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences. When contacted Wednesday, Gore's office confirmed as much but said the Gores were looking into making the switch at both homes. Talk about inconvenient truths.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    It only makes sense that Gore's house would use more electicity. It takes massive amounts of communication and research to work on any film, and then in addition to coordinate and work on the activities and function his causes require must make computer use, television, dvd, use almost constant.

    But his energy use is like an investment since it pays off in awareness and activity towards curtailing global warming a hundred fold what it costs to power his house, and offices, no doubt.

    Well done Gore.
     
  11. rhadamanthus

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    ok this is hooey FB. Please tell me there is some sort of satire intended with this post.
     
  12. ROXRAN

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    What you said is simply EXCUSES that anyone can provide, whether it be businesses for the "collective good" or individuals for any convenient reason... That is the example and failure of hyprocisy...
     
  13. Sishir Chang

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    So Gore and Hollywood celebrities are hypocrites. Unfortunately most of the people we look up to are hypocrites. For all of those accusing Al Gore of being a hypocrite what are you doing to conserve energy?
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    Not it isn't. Working, researching, etc. anything dealing with getting a film made, much less dstributed, requires insane amounts of work and time. I know when I work on projects my electricity usage increases and we pay higher bills. Anything I do is microscopic compared to the scale that Gore does.

    It isn't the only reason that his bills are higher since he lives in a huge place. But I have no doubt that it contributes.
     
  15. ROXRAN

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    I'm impressed! ;)...actually I'm more impressed with the 8 bathrooms...surely lots of work is being done there...
     
  16. weslinder

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    I moved to shorten my commute from 31 miles to 6 miles. You?
     
  17. rhadamanthus

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    Uh yeah, but it pails in comparison to having 20 bedrooms.

    I really like Gore - I'm a huge supporter. Holding him to some ridiculous standard is (as gifford stated) rather lame since this type of logic can be extended to anything (I mean, why isn't Bush personally fighting terrorists?). But it's hard to argue that the tragedy of the commons is working overtime here; most everyone knows what the problem is, but no one wants to be the first to sacrifice.

    I don't think it'd be asking too much for Gore to have a single home with some energy saving modifications in place. Lord knows that he can afford it.

    I am converting all my lightbulbs to the low-watt halogen kind (I wonder what all that mercury involved in their production means to the environment - no such thing as a free lunch) and I still suffer to pay the higher rates from green mountain energy. It's not impossible to live (or work towards living) like Gore espouses in his movie.
     
  18. thegary

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    what a bunch of nitpicky b****es. we're arguing the degree to with gore may or may not be a hypocrite. does that negate the messsage?
     
  19. F.D. Khan

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    I just think its Ironic that a musician that tours the world playing music for profit and a politician that owns multiple homes and travels in chartered jets are telling you and I to 'conserve'.

    As a capitalist, I don't believe there is anything wrong with having a chartered jet or as many homes as one likes. But to stress a conservation of energy while they use in a year what most use in a lifetime is a bit insulting to me.

    The picture show during her song showed monorails and public transportation.

    Would you ever in your life see Al Gore or Melissa Etheridge using public transportation???
     
  20. hotballa

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    What if the person in question is a Televangelist? =P

    Anyway, I agree with you. We're nitpicking. Gore is not my point man on the issue, so I really don't care if he's legitimately concerned or just riding on he coattails as a hypocrite. Global warming is real, and regardless of the role humans play in it, we need to at the very least worry about pollution which noone can deny has a horrendous effect on our quality of life.
     

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