We could trade Fancis for #2 pick JW and trade JW to Cleveland for A Miller. Cleveland wont have to worry about JW's contract for three years and we would have a true point guard.
Francis isn't going anywhere. Doesn't anyone else find it funny that Doc Rocket, Oily, and Clutch are all agreeing on Doc's post, and making it VERY WELL KNOWN that they agree with it? I don't think there's been an instance where Doc Rocket and Oeilpere have interacted. It's so incredibly fishy how Doc Rocket just said it. Why say it? If it's true, then why not just announce it to reporters, instead of putting it here where reporters will see it anyway? There's a plan. But I trust it. Because there will be a day soon where they'll say "we had to do it, but isn't it great what happened??" Francis isn't going anywhere. Ming is still a question mark. It only took a week for them to get all 7 (or 9?) signatures? Very Doubtful. No one knows. But they want every other etam to "know" that the Ming situation is ok. But now, I'm just a fan with a conspiracy theory, so who to believe? It could be true. I could be wrong. Ming might be a lock already. I know I'm going to be happy when everything's said and done. We'll have another C and another SF. Count on it.
This is the stuff i cant stand. I dont want J Will, I dont want Andre Miller, and I dont want anyone else but Francis. I wouldn't trade Stevie, Cat, and probably not Griff for anything. Those guys are the nucleus we need to build around. I dont care if Andre Miller is a bettter point guard Francis is by far the better player. I highly doubt him or Cat get moved anywhere.
Sane - It's not 9 Chinese government signatures. The 9 signatures include Yao Ming, Yao Ming's parents, Erik Zhang, the NBA and the Rockets. I think all of these 5 are pretty much a slam dunk. That leaves 4 more and the Rockets have been busy. I don't have a link, but I saw the list posted in another thread.
Sane, I could see many people doing exactly as you have described, to protect the team right before it nails a big trade... but my sources don't think that's Clutch's style. He'd be silent in that situation (ioho). Clutch is posting that we're going to take Ming, and he wholeheartedly believes that. We don't think he'd lie (sources, personal comm.). rotfl Who knows about doc but oeilpere is just writing everything that's out there because eventually, baby, spaghetti to the wall.... 'not that the spaghetti noodles don't exist', lol. The big question on the horizon is who will be suddenly 'resigning' over the next few weeks. Rocket!!, rocketsfan34, oeilpere, Clutch and Doc all have posted things of an intimate nature recently. The Ming is definite thing doesn't seem to be too precarious, b/c hell it's intuitive too, and it fits what Carroll is telling the media anyway. oeilpere and Rocket!! though get a bit more specific. I just wonder whose source will get canned for spewing co. info (assuming tell different employees different things, watch the rumor spread). If someone doesn't get canned, I guess we'll have a loose association perhaps suggesting that one of our 'insiders' is full of ****.
This was mentioned further up the thread, but the whole thing about Ming being, worst case scenario, another Rik Smits is a total freak'in joke. How can so many people who have never seen this guy play know so much about his game? Ridiculous. Worst case scenario Ming is another Bradley. Maybe I'm revealing my age a bit here, but Bradley hype was huge ten years ago. What has he done? How do you spell Ming? B-U-S-T
Gater, Assuming all they need is 4 more, do you think that's the end of negotiations? If this was all it needed, then why all the question marks around Ming? If all this means is that we want Ming and we're working on it, we didn't need another thread. We knew that didn't we? We may very well pick Ming. But this is some sort of mind game, no doubt in my mind.
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Sane - I may have the timing all goofed up, but I thought TroyBaros' thread cast some doubt on Ming. And then the really long "bat cave" thread by OP appeared and in it OP listed about 6 other scenarios. My impression (and I may be mistaken) was that the Rockets interest was starting to diminish and this thread was meant to re-state the Rockets' singular interest in Ming. But I've been wrong before. And Doc Rocket did leave himself an escape path ("it could all blow up").
i totally agree with you man. ming is a bust waiting to happen. when was the last time we saw a guy this tall dominate in the NBA or guy this tall even be good in the NBA. the truth is never. no one has seen this guy play against good competition. he hasnt even played against good college players, unless u think Chris Christoffersen is good. im guessing Rudy and CD have seen something i havent cus when i saw the highlights of his workout in Chicago i wasnt impressed at all. if we have the option of trading for a proven SF like Lamar Odom someone please tell me why in the hell we're even considering drafting this guy? besides the fact that he might be a total bust he also has a lot baggage with involving the Chinese Government. plz someone tell me all this Ming talk is a smoke screen.
Well ... I for one - am not going to resign anything ... (resign?) ... to bew sure I remain somewhat confused ... ... and it remians coinfusing and bewildering ... But, Will, Jeff and others have given a pretty good spec on what is happening and I defer to their (and Doc and Clutch's) take on all this ... ... actually today I re-ran some previous games that I missed this past season ... saw two games of the playoffs that I missed and got sentimental and posted something up on "NBA Dish" ... I am most am definitely not worried that the guys at Greenway are making a major snafu of everyting ... they have their game plan ... I think they will do what is right ... ... and, that is not as much from blind loyalty as much as fervent faith that to think otherwise would do no good ... PS: Francis is not going anywhere ... it's a waste of bandlength and precious ticking life to think differently ... and that is also not a blind unmitigating loyalty ... it is fact ... Steve is here and will stay, regardless of Ming or Fling or Bozo the Clown being drafted. Take that to the bank.
Ming maybe a bust and he may be very good. We don't know. No one knows about the draft. Even the #1 pick is a crapshoot despite what people might think. Kwame Brown may be very good but looked very overwhelmed in his rookie year. Olowokandi's first few seasons could also be deemed as less than dominating. Joe Smith, Danny Manning, Derrick Coleman, Pervis Ellison, blah blah blah.... As far as Lamar odom, if you think he's a sure thing you're kidding yourself. The risk with him is not the talent but he could be another Shawn kemp (dumb as dirt) and never fulfilling his potential. If we sign this guy to a long term deal, he may prove to be a bust 3 -4 years down the line as well.
I agree Pops, NO WAY FRANCIS IS GOING ANYWHERE!! Its stupid to even talk about it. Francis just delivered the #1, and this club could not beat the Shangai Sharks without Steve on board.
That is good to hear from you, OP. I could not imagine Stevie anywhere else. I love The Franchise. Very reassuring words. Damn, that Clipper deal is amazing. Lamar Odom would look good in a Rockets jersey.
ill agree with you that the number 1 pick isnt going to pan out to be awesome every single but i think we have so many options trade wise that we should be able to make a good decision on what to do with the number 1 pick. however i definately think Lamar Odom is more of sure thing than Ming. Rudy is a players coach and i think he can keep Odom under control. like u said hes definatley got the talent something we dont know with Ming. however they both have baggage that comes with them but i still much rather have Odom and couple other picks instead of a tall chinese man who could very easily be a huge bust.
Mutumbo is only an inch or two shorter and is a supreme defender and has none of Ming's offensive capabilities. Mutumbo has dominated on defense which is what we need.
No disrespect, buy you are not seriously comparing Ming to Mutumbo? are you? Wang is about the same height as Mutombo, and do you see him as a defense monster (like Mutumbo)? Mings own words in interviews, states that Wang is the better Defender. Dominating the CBA, and dominating the NBA are two different things.
if Ming admits that Wang is the better defender, then Ming must NOT defend at all. Wang is about as slow as Ostertag. He has no jumping ability or rebounding presence.
