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  1. sinohero

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    This is
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    19/03/03 - War on Iraq section

    The war has started
    By Robert Fox, Defence Correspondent and David Taylor, Evening Standard

    British and American troops were involved in fierce fighting near Iraq's main port today as the war to topple Saddam Hussein began.

    The firefight broke out near Basra as men of the Special Boat Service targeted the strategically vital city and the oilfields in southern Iraq.

    At the same time allied troops were flooding into the demilitarised zone on the Iraqi border with Kuwait 40 miles away to take up positions for an all-out invasion.

    Cruise missiles were also loaded onto B52 bombers at RAF Fairford in Gloucestershire, a clear sign that the bombardment of Baghdad could be only hours away.

    British troops taking up "forward battle positions" were ordered to switch off satellite phones and allied warplanes bombed targets in Iraq after coming under fire in the no-fly zone.

    By lunchtime, allied forces were in position to strike from the moment the 48-hour deadline set by President Bush for Saddam to quit Iraq expires at 1am British time tomorrow. But the White House had refused to rule out a strike before that.

    The fighting reported at Basra was believed to involve British special forces and US marines in an operation to prepare landing sites for amphibious craft during an invasion.

    Other special units were deep inside Iraq on secret operations to prepare landing strips in the desert for airborne troops.

    Basra, Iraq's only seaport, lies on the Shatt al Arab waterway where the Tigris and the Euphrates open into the northern Gulf.

    Surrounded by treacherous sandbanks and marshes it is difficult to approach from the sea.

    Artillery, infantry and the tanks of the 7th Armoured Brigade had already moved into Forming Up Positions, and some were already on the start line.

    An attack could target Basra and proceed up alongside the Euphrates towards the strategic cities of Nasariya, Najaf and Karbala.

    Tony Blair said he believed all MPs, irrespective of their views on the war, now wished British troops well.

    "I know everyone in this House wishes our Armed Forces well," he said in the Commons.

    A sandstorm whipped across northern Kuwait as the pace of preparations suddenly quickened Kuwaiti security sources disclosed that allied troops move into the demilitarised zone, which straddles the Iraq-Kuwait border, at around 11am local time, 8am UK time.

    The source, working in the Umm Qasr area in the east of the zone, said: "American convoys are still driving towards Umm Qasr."

    A US military spokesman said he could not confirm or deny that troops were inside the zone.

    A British Army spokesman said only that soldiers had taken up " forward battle positions".

    At Fairford, 14 giant American B52 bombers which will lead the fight against Saddam were loaded up with cruise missiles this morning.

    The first flight of B52s were expected to take off two hours before sunset to give them enough flying time to identify their targets and drop their first devastating payload before heading for home.

    The missiles were driven to the aircraft in five articulated lorries escorted by police at 10.30am.

    Troops meticulously loaded the weapons - each costing around £1million - into the bomb bays by forklift truck.

    With an estimated flight time of only six hours to Iraq the bombers are expected to play a huge part in the initial air bombardment. A single B52 can deliver a payload of more than 70,000lb at a range of 8,800 miles without being refuelled. They are likely to take up positions over the Mediterranean or the Red Sea to unleash cruise missiles or satelliteguided smart bombs. RAF Tornados, Harriers and Jaguars are also likely to be involved in the opening 48-hour offensive.

    The Tornados will be given the specific task of taking out air defences and barracks round small missile batteries and air strips in the Iraqi desert.

    This will enable the enemy positions to be quickly seized by airborne forces and turned into bases for the advancing allied armies.

    The Harrier force of up to 20 planes has the job of supporting special forces, the SAS and Special Boat Service and American Rangers in the hunt for Scud missile sites and any artillery shells with chemical warheads. Intelligence suggests Saddam has given his generals personal authority to unleash the deadly weapons as a last desperate measure to hold the Allies off from attacking Baghdad.

    The mainstay of the bombing attack will be the 750 American and British fighter bombers from Gulf bases and the six American aircraft carriers now at battle stations in the Mediterranean and the Arabian Sea.

    The aircraft, including RAF Tornados and Harriers, F16s, F15s and F18 Hornets will work on a "taxi rank" basis, forming ranks in the air before being sent in on targets. Along with the B52s from Fairford, other longrange bombers include the almost mythical B2 Spirit bat-wing supersonic aircraft which will fly from bases on Diego Garcia. Also spearheading the attack will be B1B Lancer and F117 Stealth bombers.

    Action began in the air today as warplanes from the USS Abraham Lincoln bombed Iraqi positions after coalition aircraft - including two RAF Harrier jets - were fired on by Iraqi forces.

    "There were, yesterday, four firings against our aircraft flying in the southern no-fly zone," Rear Admiral John Kelly told reporters on board the Lincoln. He said US forces had responded by bombing "a series of targets" he described as "command and control" positions.




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    Saddam's troops fire the first shots of the conflict
    By Patrick Cockburn in northern Iraq
    19 March 2003


    Two Iraqi helicopters fired machine guns and rockets into three Kurdish villages on the front line north of Kirkuk yesterday, in the first shots intended to kill in the coming war.

    ''There were two of them, one an attack helicopter and the other normally used for transport, attacking the villages where people herding cattle live," Mohammed Fateh, a local Kurdish military commander, said.

    Kurdish officers believe that the Iraqi helicopter attack on the three impoverished and half-ruined villages of Bashtapa, Girdalanka and Sherawa in the hills south-east of Qush Tappa was a desperate effort by the Iraqi army to raise the morale of its men and prove that its firepower is still to be reckoned with.

    ''Maybe they fear that the Iraqi soldiers want to flee, so they did this to raise their spirits," said General Nasrudin Mustafa, the Kurdish commander for this sector, who had driven up from his headquarters to inspect the front line moments after the strafing took place.

    Many people from the villages, in the no-man's land between the Kurdish and Iraqi army forces, had already fled to the nearby city of Arbil, he said.

    The Iraqi soldiers facing the Kurdish enclave in northern Iraq appear to have recent orders to show they still have teeth. A few days ago they fired mortar shells at tracks used by smugglers near Qush Tappa to bring goods from Kirkuk, 40 miles to the south.

    Local commanders of the peshmerga (Kurdish guerrillas), dressed in their traditional baggy trousers, were tense because the Iraqi army had changed the unit facing them and reinforced it. General Mustafa, a burly man in a black and white turban, whom we had accompanied to the front, calmed them, saying: "The Iraqis have only switched units around because they are afraid their soldiers will establish links with the peshmerga. They have also sent in some more tanks and cannon, but not many of either."

    The Iraqi army is deeply sensitive to what happens on this section of the front line, because of fears that the peshmerga will take advantage of the US air bombardment to recover villages from which they were deported or forced to flee over the past 25 years. Asked if he plans to attack, General Mustafa smiled and said discreetly: "We are waiting for orders from our leadership."

    On the road leading to the front line, which is really a thinly held series of strongpoints, there are many signs of the coming war. Most of the traffic consists of battered pick-up trucks and orange and white taxis, into which families are crammed as they drive to safety in mountain villages. Small boys and sheepdogs are herding flocks from their pastures to places less likely to be caught in the fighting.

    In the village of Khalaq Yassin Agha on another part of the front, overlooked by hills held by the Iraqi army, a young man called Nawzad Aziz said: "All the people here have gone. But every family has left one man behind to look after their house."

    On the crest of the hill, Iraqi soldiers had just positioned a heavy machine-gun and dug some trenches, but local leaders were surprisingly sanguine. Chato Ramazan, whose headquarters is an old Iraqi army fort of medieval appearance, agreed that most of the people in the village were afraid. "But I don't think the army here will fight," he said. "I think that for the first few hours of the war they might fire at us, but then they will give up." For the moment, however, the government is keeping a tight grip.

    As war gets closer, a mass exodus is under way from Arbil, the largest Kurdish city, with a population of 900,000. "All my relatives and friends have left because they are frightened of an attack by poison gas," Assur, a moneychanger, said nervously. "I am going soon myself."

    Many of the shops are shut, and shopkeepers are removing valuable stock such as carpets to their homes. Others have bought large quantities of plastic sheeting to put around doors and windows to keep out the gas. They are also storing drinking water at home, in case it becomes contaminated. One former peshmerga said he was hurrying to buy a gun in the local market before that closed as well.
     
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    http://msnbc.com/news/870749.asp?0cv=CA01

    15 Iraqi soldiers surrender on border

    NBC, MSNBC AND NEWS SERVICES

    NORTHERN KUWAIT, March 19 — Even before the start of war, and as thousands of U.S. infantry and Marines were poised in Kuwait to attack Iraq, 15 Iraqi soldiers dropped their weapons and crossed into Kuwait on Wednesday. The Pentagon was hoping tens of thousands of Iraqi soldiers will follow suit when the war begins.

    THE SOLDIERS were turned over to Kuwaiti police, said Capt. Darrin Theriault, a 3rd Infantry Division officer.
    NBC’s David Bloom reported that the lead troops of the 3rd Infantry Division, accompanied by the “Raging Bulls” tank company, were on the border with Iraq, having moved from a staging area to an attack position.
    Earlier, one tank company commander told troops to take down the U.S. flags from the tops of their tanks. “We will be entering Iraq as an army of liberation, not domination, so it would not be right to go in with the American flag flying,” Capt. Philip Wolford said.
    At another position on the border, NBC’s Chip Reid reported Wednesday that Marines had slept in fox holes and were ready to attack with 30 minutes notice.
    A fierce sandstorm briefly cut visibility to around 10 feet Wednesday, but a U.S. commander said the dust would not disrupt plans for an imminent invasion of Iraq.
    The 3rd Infantry Division, with 20,000 troops and 10,000 tanks and trucks, is the only armored force in the region and is likely to attack Iraqi defenses head-on in the event of war.
    Troops of the 101st are expected to be flown in on helicopters to seize key installations ahead of the 3rd Division.
    At the Army’s Camp New Jersey, the commander of the 101st Airborne Division’ 3rd Brigade summoned his officers for a “battle update” briefing. “We are one day closer to making history, everybody,” said Col. Michael Linnington.

    CARRIER CREW ORDERED TO SLEEP

    About 300,000 troops — most of them from the United States, about 40,000 from Britain — waited within striking distance of Iraq. Backing them are scores of attack helicopters and more than 1,000 airplanes.
    At sea, combat pilots and most of crew aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt were ordered to snooze through the day Wednesday so they could shift to night operations.
    The other aircraft carrier in the eastern Mediterranean, the USS Harry S. Truman, will stay on day duty - thus providing round-the-clock combat capability.
    Meantime, commander Tommy Franks hunkered down with other top military officers at the forward command center in Qatar, about 700 miles from Baghdad.
    “He wants to make sure that the commanders have thought about every possible contingency that you can,” said U.S. Central Command spokesman Jim Wilkinson said of Franks.
    “But he also is realistic enough, and has been around enough, to know that every military plan changes once the first bullet’s fired.”

    WARNING TO IRAQIS

    At Camp Doha in Kuwait, Lt. Gen. David McKiernan — the overall commander of the U.S.-led forces in Kuwait — told journalists that the threat of chemical and biological weapons is the biggest danger faced by the 100,000 troops under his command.
    “It would be a hugely bad choice on the part of any Iraqi leader or commander to employ chemical weapons,” McKiernan said.
    Asked what the response would be to such an attack, McKiernan simply replied “dramatic.”
    The American and British forces spread out across the Kuwaiti desert have been sharpening their chemical warfare skills as they wait for the expiration of President Bush’s deadline. In an 8 p.m. ET speech Monday, Bush gave Iraqi President Saddam Hussein 48 hours to leave Iraq or face a war.
    Should war be ordered, McKiernan said Iraq could face a highly coordinated synchronized coalition attack “using all the military might at our disposal” including land, air, naval and special forces.
    No military units under his command have been given the specific task of locating and capturing Saddam, he said.
    “I imagine there might be a few Iraqis looking for him,” he added.

    INSIDE IRAQ

    In Washington, military sources told NBC that CIA operatives are working with Iraqi exiles on plans to sabotage Iraqi installations.
    The CIA was in constant contact with military leaders to make sure that U.S. warplanes did not bomb CIA operatives already in Iraq, the sources said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
    They also revealed that intelligence reports were indicating that Saddam was preparing to use chemical weapons against U.S. troops.
    Intercepts of Iraqi military radio communications suggest that artillery shells with chemical warheads were being handed out to troops of Saddam’s elite Republican Guard at Al Kut, southeast of Baghdad, the sources said.

    Other evidence indicated that preparations were under way to coat bridges and roadways with a lethal VX nerve agent to slow U.S. troops on their advance to Baghdad.
    U.S. intelligence reports also indicated that Saddam had as many as 50 unmanned drones he could use to attack U.S. troops with chemical weapons from the air, the sources said.

    OTHER DEVELOPMENTS
    The number of military reservists on active duty has risen by 24,025 over last week, the Pentagon said Wednesday. That raises the total number to 212,617.
    U.S. aircraft dropped a record 1.9 million leaflets over southern Iraq on Tuesday, bringing the total this year to some 17 million. The messages range from encouraging troops to desist from fighting to alerting Iraqis to U.S.-run radio broadcasts.
    An Iraqi was shot dead Sunday when a Kuwaiti gunboat challenged stopped 25 dhows in the mouth of the Khawr al Zuabyr river, near the narrow strip of Iraqi territory that reaches the Persian Gulf, Pentagon officials said Wednesday. The gunboat reportedly fired when one of the dhows didn’t respond. Tension has been running high in the area over concern that the dhows could be sowing mines in the area or moving into position to try to conduct terrorist attacks on U.S. warships.
     
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    Looks like both the real war and the spin war have begun.
     
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    Ever since the invention of radio, "real war" has always consisted of "spin war".
     
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    even before then! leaders have inflated success at war for centuries
     
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    The smart ones......

    http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2408786

    Kuwait Says 16 Iraqi Soldiers Give Selves Up
    Wed March 19, 2003 01:51 PM ET
    KUWAIT CITY (Reuters) - Sixteen Iraqi soldiers have given themselves up to U.S.-led forces in northern Kuwait, the official Kuwait News Agency said on Wednesday.
    The agency attributed the news to a Kuwaiti military source, and gave no further details. No comment was immediately available from U.S. or British military officials.

    The United States and Britain have massed some 280,000 troops around Iraq. President Bush has given Iraqi President Saddam Hussein until 0100 GMT on Thursday to leave the country or face war.
     
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    If I was an Iraqi with goshdarned helicopter under my command, I'd be flying my ass out of there ASAP. Those must be the real Iraqi troops who follow Saddam no matter what.
     

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