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Greg Oden Anyone?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by BasketballMind, Feb 23, 2011.

  1. javajoe

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    OK, we save him until the 21st :cool:
     
  2. Rocket River

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    Cheap Oden Plus Cheap Yao = Cheap Center Position
    Play them each 15 minutes a game [Chuck/Hill getting the rest of the minutes]

    I would do this deal

    Rocket River
     
  3. RV6

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    Hard not to take offense when you say you "highly doubt" I can speak intelligently about the subject...but I've read up enough on orthotics and leg length issues to have a good grasp of what may happen to Oden. I do have a related degree, so i'm not blindly diving into this issue and I'm more qualified than a lot of people here, including yourself it seems. I have no reason to lie or make stuff up to support my point of view, as Im not an Oden hater that's looking for a reason to keep him away. If he didn't have this issue i'd throw out the red carpet for him.

    If anyone else with more expertise wants to chime in, then that'll be great, but for you to say it comes down to just the surgery is ridiculous. There's no way you can dismiss the effect a short leg can have on an athlete, especially after having a hip injury that they walked on for a while before getting treatment. A limp is never good, as it's changing the person's gait and that can affect everything else. An orthotic can't mimic the bottom of a foot, mainly because it can't feel the ground and react accordingly like a foot can and should. That affects the musculature and proprioception.

    It takes time for these things to add up. Most people with knee issues will tell you their problem didn't go from minor to major overnight. Many will tell you it became worse with time, sometime over the span of years, maybe even a decade. You say his "entire HS and college career" like it's a significant length or compares to time in the NBA. How many games are there in a season of HS ball? Even in college it doesn't compare to the NBA.. not to mention he left after just his freshman year. It helps to have pros looking over you like an athlete would/should, but they can only do so much in situations where a player is damaged goods. I believe he's had 3 injuries in the NBA. One happend on a knee to knee collision, so that can be considered an accident, a fluke. However, his other two apparently developed without an actual incident. No fall, hit, etc. Why would an injury develop without a direct and immediate cause like that? I'd say that signals an internal problem.

    Having said all that, teams have been known to roll the dice and cross their fingers despite knowing a player has issues. It's what happened to tmac and roy. Houston may decide to do the same, but i think it doesn't make sense given our injury history, his injury history, and his permanent mechanical issue. No one can predict how long he'll be healthy, so I'll agree he's worth a look at a cheap price because we have no defensive center,b ut i'm not sure Portland gives him away. This may be the best time to have him, since he's still on his rookie deal.
     
  4. rolyat93

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    He's about Yao Ming's size so they could share suits right?
     
  5. Games6&7in94

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    Oden is terrible, and has NEVER EVER been good.

    He somehow managed to be a mediocre college player, yet still drafted #1 overall.

    He's 7 ft tall with a very low basketball IQ and too many injury problems. Oden is done in the NBA.
     
  6. TimBly15

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    once a guy of that size gets injured there's no turning back. take yao for instance
     
  7. MorningZippo

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    What? You sir are failing at posting. Literally every stat tells everyone else otherwise, what criteria do you have to suggest that Oden was indeed never "ever good?"

    The general consensus of the NBA GM's at the time was to take Oden at number 1, even with his injury history, ABOVE Kevin Durant.
     
  8. lalala902102001

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    Each of them will last about 10 games. No.
     
  9. javal_lon

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    I personally hope Oden goes to the Thunder.. Guaranteed championship...Or go to San Antonio..Duncan has maybe 2 more good yrs left in him...But yall making a BIG mistake if you think he is incapable of becoming a better than good center..Most of your comments about him are biased..I guarantee you would love to have him at the beginning of next season...He's a Mfing Monsta!!!!!!!!
     
  10. payaso

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    Hey, an aggressive sports orthopedic surgeon could lengthen his femur with a complete hip replacement. It basically amounts to sawing off the top of the femur, just below where it makes the crook on the way to the femoral ball/ pelvic socket, and inserting a surgical stainless steel replacement like a tent stake into the top of the bone. That was mentioned to me when I had my hip replacement consultation a few years back.
    Of course I can't afford to plop that kind of money down, but Oden/whomever takes him on certainly can.
     
  11. RV6

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    I'm not sure how well that would work with pro athletes, but it sounds like an option. He'll probably want to wait before undergoing a procedure like that though. If the injuries keep piling up, then i guess he'd consider it, but who knows when that'll be and how good he'll be after having it.
     
  12. javal_lon

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    So many medical diagnosis, so few credentials in this thread...Entertainin though :cool:
     
  13. baller4life315

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    Clearly, no offense was intended.

    If you are, indeed, qualified to speak on the matter then I appreciate your efforts. Unfortunately, nobody can seem to explain why he was so healthy in HS and college yet all of sudden this 'one leg longer than the other' condition is apparently such an issue now that he's suffering all these fluke injuries in the pro's.

    The only way this makes any sense is if you (or whoever) are suggesting he's sustaining all these knee injuries as a direct result of this leg length issue. Additionally, this line of thinking also suggests it's impossible for him to ever recover and have a normal post-microfracture career.

    Is that what you're telling me? (Asking this respectfully, mind you)

    Because that's the only way this argument makes any sense. That's the only reason why you would be so appalled that I pointed out the obvious: 1) Yes, he had microfracture surgery, 2) Yes, athletes have recovered from microfracture surgery and 3) He's only 23-years-old so there's seemingly little reason to give up hope after having microfracture surgery.

    If you're telling me the leg length issue will completely prevent him from ever recovering and that's a medically sound opinion, then I bow to your knowledge on the matter.
     
  14. Rocket River

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    How many Surgeries and years was it before Ilgalzkus was good enough
    to play a full week.

    Rocket River
     
  15. Rocket River

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    full Schedule rather.

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  16. RV6

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    I already explained why. Wear and tear doesn't happen overnight. A basic example is the aligment of a car. When not properly aligned, the tires don't wear out like they should. You get uneven wear and will have to replace your tires more quickly. Will they need to be replaced in a week? A month? No, we're talking longer than that. Same goes for a body's aligment. There's improper wear on anything that's pushed out of aligment. The body isn't a cheap piece of plastic, so it'll withstand an issue like this for a while, try to adapt to it, but eventually it's likely to succumb to some kind of injury. How active you are technically should increase your chances of injury.

    I never said it was impossible for him to recover from surgery. I said he wouldn't stay healthy. He can do his rehab and come back and play for some time before getting injured again. Or he can come back and shortly after experience more issues. Different possibilities. I'm thinking something similar to Yao where he comes back and plays but goes down again within a season, maybe two. Hard to predict exactly.

    I'm not sure where you get i was "appalled" that you pointed that out. He had MF surgery. It's a fact. I have no reason to be appalled at that fact. My issue was you simply dismissing his previous hip injury and short leg and stating it all came down to recovering from surgery. You always have to worry about a previous injury that ended with a pin being inserted and the change it created to the body's frame (shortened the leg). I don't see how you could not, especially if it's significant enough to cause a limp, which obviously means there's a problem with his gait.

    We'll have to agree to disagree because it's clear you're willing to give him a shot even if there's the slightest chance of him having a solid career. I'm not looking at oden's situation exclusively. I'm thinking about the history of this team and it's current situation. We've been through injury hell the last few years and we may still not be done with it if Yao returns. We're currently without a defensive center and no true back up. After this summer we may have no center other than an old vet ready to retire in a year or two. Personally, if I'm the GM, I wouldn't want take on that risk during such a crucial time. Not after Losing Yao, Tmac, and deke to injuries that possibly cost us a ring, or at the very least a deep playoff run. Not after missing the playoffs the last two seasons primarily due to an injured center. You may want to take that chance, but i dont. I dont think most here do.

    Keep in mind i wrote this last part as if the thabeet trade hadn't happened, since my replies came before it. I'd say having thabeet now probably makes me more receptive to acquiring Oden, since we're not putting all our eggs in one damaged basket anymore, but it still would have to be at a cheap price. Had we acquired or had someone like Chandler, then it's even easier to take a chance on Oden.
     
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    Thanks for the clarification, RV6.

    And I hear you: after years and years of watching HOF'ers on the sidelines wearing suits I should probably know better. All the same, if a low-risk proposition presents itself it's hard not to at least entertain the idea.

    As long as there's hope he can play I'll be receptive to the idea of giving him a shot. Even if he lasts 50 games it's still worth it, IMO.
     

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