Obviously depends on how good you are on studying from books. I usually have a better time when I have a teacher to answer all of my doubts, but books are obviously cheaper and allow you to take other classes which really do need teachers. I am sure there are some books out there to learn from. ------------------ Nederland 2002 Rocketman95 on board. Check out his latest game recaps.
I do want to have a BBS like this one at the site. Are you saying it is impossible to have such a board on NT? What other message board options are there available on NT? Also, what is the advantage of ASP? I mean, what can that do that other codes can't? ------------------ Nederland 2002 Rocketman95 on board. Check out his latest game recaps.
HP, Is that San Jose, Costa Rica?? Thanks for the help, guys. Hostrocket and HP's option look great so far. I am definitely considering both. I'll look into the others as well, though. ------------------ Nederland 2002 Rocketman95 on board. Check out his latest game recaps.
I'd just get 2 or 3 good books. Classes are usually far more expensive. ASP isn't that difficult... not sure about Cold Fusion, since I've never used it. ------------------ If you like larger booties, Domanique Sachsa would be on that list as well. --Jeff of SaveMeSomeBooty.com fame in the BBS Hangout forum (hope the man doesn't run for a political position - he's dead meat)
Somebody else may be able to answer the BBS portion of the question for you, as I'm not sure. Think of ASP as CGI for NT. All ASP is is one form of server-side scripting. You can use it to query databases and create dynamic HTML pages, for example. ------------------ If you like larger booties, Domanique Sachsa would be on that list as well. --Jeff of SaveMeSomeBooty.com fame in the BBS Hangout forum (hope the man doesn't run for a political position - he's dead meat)
DoD, Would have any problem recommending an intro CGI book to used in conjunction with the 2 ASP books? I have found at least one BBS running with ASP. Mango ------------------ Lets get the Mo Go working! Test Your NBA Trade Ideas 1. Put new topics in the proper forum. Things happening in the rest of the NBA 2. Use clear wording for new threads. 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult. The Serious Police are watching. Donate Blood or be assimilated! [This message has been edited by Mango (edited December 15, 2000).]
Been meaning to answer this question. The UBB board now has support for NT. I was giving you old news. However, the implementation looks very tedious, and I would not recommend trying it on a remote server. Actually, it is doubtful you could even change system settings on a shared server. If you want to run a UBB, you should select a host based on that, because there are system requirements. You should just ask them with an email. You can send them the UBB sytem settings to ask if that set-up is supported. Remember, these cheap hosting deals are for *shared* servers---right DoD? As for advantages of ASP as a language, any advantages there are will only be questionable lower-learning curve and should not impact your decision on hosting. I think DoD has brought out the best advantage for you...price for hosting. Apparently, these all microsoft systems are the cheapest from these hosting outfits, and I'm willing to bet Microsoft is subsidizing their losses on a push to dominate market share in the small-mid size companies. Remember, ASP and PHP are free. Cold Fusion, Java Server Pages, and server-side Javascript are not. PHP is great and getting easier to implement. Plus, there is soooo much free code out there to look at. In all of these, you are going to have to learn how to write a function and manage variables to do anything. Plus, you will have to learn to use a database. None of these are Magic. None of these are black-box systems. You still need to know SQL to use a database. You still need to learn how to use info that a user sends back from a browser. As for CGI; ASP, PHP and Cold Fusion all eliminate your need to study this out of the box. Don't worry about it right now.
Billy Crystal is a pretty good host. ------------------ Ceo of the Walt Williams fan club. Web site coming soon atheistalliance.org
I'm not sure about the CGI books, but for ASP I think the following were really good for beginners : Beginning Active Server Pages 3.0, Wrox Press Teach Yourself Active Server Pages 3.0 in 21 days, SAMS Active Server Pages Bible, IDG Books For more intermediate programming and for learning how ASP hooks into databases, etc., I thought the following was a good book : Beginning ASP Databases, Wrox Press. As a matter of fact, I like Wrox Press books. If you look on the back of their books, they take you up the ladder of experience with their books and show you the order in which you should buy their books. By the way, Mango, I haven't looked for any ASP-based or NT-based BBS', but I'd be interested to know which one you found. Thanks. ------------------ I use smilies and I LOL -- I'm your worst nightmare.
The code for UBB should work as you can run AciveState Perl on NT and you should be ok (I haven't done it, so don't trust me). From what I remember reading a couple of months ago, the problem encountered with it is that if you're running it on NT, you have to be running it on a server that is also a mail server. Again, that's what I recall, but I could be screwing that up. UNIX-based BBS' get around this by using the sendmail program. I have no idea what it needs sendmail for unless it's for the "somebody's posted to your thread option". Yup. Actually when comparing costs and for example, hard drive space given, NT-based hosting is often more expensive than Unix. Keep in mind that if you're using things such as SQL Server, the hosting service has to pay a licensing fee to Microsoft, and guess who they pass those costs onto? Us. Also keep in mind that its easier to throw a ton of people onto a Unix box than onto an NT box (cost-wise especially). Also, Unix-based users can find dozens of freebie utilities, databases (such as mySQL), etc. that don't require the hosting company to pay an arm and a leg to Microsoft. This is why you still see so many more Unix-based hosts than NT-based and why you can find so many Unix-based hosts that are cheaper than NT-based hosts. The guys at www.readyhosting.com are actually an exception... I still have no idea how they provide an NT service so cheap. ------------------ I use smilies and I LOL -- I'm your worst nightmare. [This message has been edited by Dr of Dunk (edited December 20, 2000).]
Doctor of Dunk, It wasn't running UBB code, but it was a bulletin board on ASP. http://www.asptechniques.com/forum.asp I have seen at least one more, just can't remember the url. If I run across it again, will post it. Likely would need much more machine to run an ASP driven BBS versus a CGI on the same volume/user activity. --------------------------------------------- heypartner, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Microsoft is seeding the market with sweetheart deals just to get established. That has been their track record in the past and they have no reason to change it. --------------------------------------------- heypartner and Dr of Dunk, The underlying question is should he make a ASP versus CGI decision now or straddle both fences and try both? There are positives and negatives to weigh in both decisions. Mango ------------------ Lets get the Mo Go working! Test Your NBA Trade Ideas 1. Put new topics in the proper forum. Things happening in the rest of the NBA 2. Use clear wording for new threads. 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult. The Serious Police are watching. Donate Blood or be assimilated! [This message has been edited by Mango (edited December 20, 2000).]
I didn't want to get into this to confuse the issue, but technically speaking, this is a confusing question. The question is: ASP versus PHP versus Cold Fusion versus Perl as his scripting language and database connection objects/libraries. While it is common to hear people say "CGI Programming", CGI is not a language anymore than Windows is. It is more accurate to say, "What language should I write my CGI programs in?". Ace: For scripting languages, ASP, PHP and Cold Fusion are your choices at low cost/small learning curve (assuming you find someone to give you Cold Fusion). You do not need to read any CGI books, unless you want to know dive into the awesome world of Perl or simply want to know how a web server formats and sends data between a server application and a client. DoD, My guess is that readyhosting.com is taking a loss, and Microsoft is subsidizing them to gain market share and reliance on NT. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited December 20, 2000).]
Thanks for the correction. It should have been Perl versus the others mentoned. Now that the questuon has been phrased correctly,.........skip the Perl or do that as a intro/prerequisite? Upon further reflection, it is dependent upon his long term goals. 1. The Web as income....Perl wouldn't hurt. 2. Just putting up his own pages/site ....short learning curve. Mango ------------------ Lets get the Mo Go working! Test Your NBA Trade Ideas 1. Put new topics in the proper forum. Things happening in the rest of the NBA 2. Use clear wording for new threads. 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult. The Serious Police are watching. Donate Blood or be assimilated! [This message has been edited by Mango (edited December 20, 2000).]
Regarding Unix-based scripting vs. ASP/NT-based, it's just a personal preference. I'd say from a personal point of view that ASP is much easier to learn than Perl since Visual Basic is a much easier language to learn than a mutated version of C (well, for me anyway). It's based on what you want to do, then researching what it takes to do it, how much it costs to do it, and how much time you're willing to put into doing it. With some of the prices these places are charging, you really can't lose. With prices like $9.99/month, you can pay to see if you can handle ASP and see if you like it. I'd still suggest going to a bookstore or some websites first to read about it to see if you think it'd be worth doing. ------------------ I use smilies and I LOL -- I'm your worst nightmare.
Dr of Dunk, If he just wants to check out ASP on the cheap: http://www.brinkster.com/ has a free plan available. He wouldn't have his own domain name, but free is pretty cheap for tryout purposes. Mango ------------------ Lets get the Mo Go working! Test Your NBA Trade Ideas 1. Put new topics in the proper forum. Things happening in the rest of the NBA 2. Use clear wording for new threads. 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult. The Serious Police are watching. Donate Blood or be assimilated!
