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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by steve francis, Jun 2, 2003.

  1. crash5179

    crash5179 Member

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    BTW, did you know that the Shaqless Magic had the best record in the east that year? Shaq was no longer with the team and they still had the best record in the east.

    The real power was firmly in the west that year. ROY Duncan, Hakeem, Shaq, Wallace, Malone were all in the west and Jordan was retired.

    Don't fool yourself about the east that year since as a conference it was a shell of its former self.
     
  2. KALIKULI

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    Mike Dunleavy is the best over all candidate that I think we should get!Someone have said that he was not a great on controling the Portlad players, well let me tell you something, those jailblazers are bunch of liability that no one can ever discipline.

    Mike is the best option by far! he knows that his got make a name, after all he is an ex-rockets!:cool:
     
  3. RIET

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    Here's some history.

    In the past 26 years, how many years have the Milwaukee Bucks
    not made the playoffs?

    During this 26 year stretch, which coach has had the worst record during that span?

    Are the Rockets more similar to the veteran Lakers and Trail Blazers or a young team like the Bucks (1992-1998)?


    Milwaukee Bucks:


    1977-78 Don Nelson 44 38 .537 5 4 .556
    1978-79 Don Nelson 38 44 .463 - - .---
    1979-80 Don Nelson 49 33 .598 3 4 .429
    1980-81 Don Nelson 60 22 .732 3 4 .429
    1981-82 Don Nelson 55 27 .671 2 4 .333
    1982-83 Don Nelson 51 31 .622 5 4 .556
    1983-84 Don Nelson 50 32 .610 8 8 .500
    1984-85 Don Nelson 59 23 .720 3 5 .375
    1985-86 Don Nelson 57 25 .695 7 7 .500
    1986-87 Don Nelson 50 32 .610 6 6 .500
    1987-88 Del Harris 42 40 .512 2 3 .400
    1988-89 Del Harris 49 33 .598 3 4 .429
    1989-90 Del Harris 44 38 .537 1 3 .250
    1990-91 Del Harris 48 34 .585 0 3 .000
    1991-92 Del Harris 6 9 .400 - - .---
    Frank Hamblen 25 42 .373 - - .---
    1992-93 Mike Dunleavy 28 54 .341 - - .---
    1993-94 Mike Dunleavy 20 62 .244 - - .---
    1994-95 Mike Dunleavy 34 48 .415 - - .---
    1995-96 Mike Dunleavy 25 57 .305 - - .---
    1996-97 Chris Ford 33 49 .402 - - .---
    1997-98 Chris Ford 36 46 .439 - - .---
    1998-99 George Karl 28 22 .560 0 3 .000
    1999-00 George Karl 42 40 .512 2 3 .400
    2000-01 George Karl 52 30 .634 10 8 .556
    2001-02 George Karl 41 41 .500 0 0 .000
    2002-03 George Karl 42 40 .512 2 4 .333
     
  4. NYKRule

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    Did I ever claim that? The 98-99 Knicks team was one of his worst of his tenure. The fact that they went to the Finals is just remarkable. They were the EIGHTH seed...



    I didn't know the 98-99 season was the majority of JVG's coaching career....you learn something new every day.
     
  5. crash5179

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    None of the above. The Rockets have much more talent than the Bucks teams that Dunleavy coached but not the experience of the Blazers or Lakers.

    If we have to pick then Rockets would be closer to the Blazers than either of the other two.
     
  6. RIET

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    Really?

    When Dunleavy took over, the Blazers had not missed the playoffs since 1981.

    Yes, this team that has not made the playoffs for the past 4 seasons is similiar to a team that had not missed the playoffs for the past 20.
     
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  7. crash5179

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    Ironically enough the 98-99 season was the year that the Knicks went to the play-offs under JVG so I would say that was actually his best team.

    Oddly enough Jordan was retired during the majority of Van Gundy's coaching stint with NYK

    Once again....Checkmate!


    Try again? :p
     
  8. NYKRule

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    Oddly enough, JVG had 6 seasons, in which the Knicks made the playoffs everytime. Oddly enough, 3 of 6 JVG seasons ended in an Eastern Conference team (the Chicago Bulls led Michael Jordan team), winning the championship. Oddly enough, 3 of 6 is not in the minority. Oddly enough, the Knicks went to the playoffs in 99-00, the season after they went to the Finals, and 00-01, the season after that. Oddly enough, you have been wrong this entire team, and made a fool of yourself by insisting you have been right.

    Checkmate :rolleyes:
     
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  9. CrazyJoeDavola

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    RIET,

    Is Yao Ming, Steve francis and Cuttino Mobley closer in talent to Vin Vaker, Glen Robinson and Todd Day or closer to Rasheed Wallace, Arvydas Sabonis and Scottie Pippen?

    Here is a list of what Dunleavy had to work with in Milwaukee:

    Glen Robinson
    Vin Baker (had his best years under Dunleavy; but we all know he is a worthless talent)
    Moses Malone (yes, that 50 year old Malone)
    Todd Day
    Lee Mayberry
    Brad Lohaus
    Alaa Abdelnaby
    Anthony Avent
    Blue Edwards
    Frank "Superstar" Brickowski
    Sherman Douglas
    Eric Murdock
    Benoit Benjamin

    1) Name 1st piece of legit talent (besides Robinson) from that list of players

    2) Name one coach who could have won with that cast of players
     
  10. RIET

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    Hmmm.. A Young Team with 2 All Stars? Hmmm????



    Bucks, Dunleavy driving Ford now

    MILWAUKEE (AP) _ General manager Mike Dunleavy sees the Milwaukee Bucks as poised to make big progress, and he won't mind having Chris Ford in the head coach's spot that he lost two months ago.

    When Dunleavy was stripped of his coaching duties April 27, he acknowledged it would be tough to watch the new coach work with the young team led by two-time All-Star Vin Baker and Dream Team III member Glenn Robinson.

    .... Several Bucks have said they wanted the new coach to install a more up-tempo offense. They wanted that last year, even though they played woeful defense and were consistently out rebounded. "
     
  11. crash5179

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    You just don’t learn do you. Once again you are wrong.

    Here is your free history lesson for today.

    JVG coached 5 full seasons and two partial seasons.

    3 full seasons and on partial season was with out MJ.

    His first partial season was in:

    95-96 when MJ won his fourth title with the Bulls. Van Gumby only coached 23 games that year. In the words of the great Derick Coleman, "Whoopee Damn Do!"

    96-97 and 97-98 were Van Gumby's first two full seasons with the Knicks and of course MJ won has last two titles in those years.

    98-99, 99-00 and 00-01 were the three full seasons that Van Gumby coached with out Jordan. The east clearly sucked during this time as Jordan, Quitten and Shaq were all either retired or in the West.

    01-02 was Van Gumby's last year and he quit after 19 games.

    So you see, you are still in Checkmate.



    :p :p
     
  12. crash5179

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    You got it right on the money.

    Yes the Rockets are much closer to the talent of that Portland team than to the talent of the Dunleavy coached Bucks team. I don't even see the argument there.

    Remember the question was are the Rockets closer to the Lakers, Bucks or Blazers as coached by Dunleavy.

    My answer was none, but if I had to pick then it would have to be the Blazers.

    I don't see how my answer can even be disputed since was little talent on those Bucks teams.
     
  13. CrazyJoeDavola

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    You have totally avoided my two questions, as I have expected you to because you won't be able to answer them. Instead, you come up with this article.

    Baker was an obvious overacheiver under Dunleavy. All you have to do is look at this career stats to see that. Robinson, despite his stats, has never been a proven leader or go to guy. That being said, those two were surrounded by no other type of significant talent.

    Being named to an all-star team means very little and hardly translates to automatic team succes. I can't believe you are using that designation to discredit Dunleavy. Unbelievable.

    If you feel that two good players (thats all that Baker and Robinson are) surrounded by a whole bunch of nobodies and journeymen are a recipe for a winning season, then more power to you.
     
  14. NYKRule

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    You count 01-02? That seems awfully ridiculous. There are obvious reasons why you should count 95-96 and not 01-02. He coached in 6 postseasons, which were all of the years he stayed until the end. Jordan was in 3 of those postseasons, and the Bulls pretty much dominated the East during that time. The fact is, Jeff Van Gundy had his best teams when the East was stacked. If he had any of the 95-98 teams in 98-99 he would have atleast taken 2 from the Spurs....that 98-99 team was the worst team he had, but they somehow willed themselves through the playoffs. It took the perfect playcall at the end to beat the Heat in the first round, and it took a timely three pointer or four pointer to get past the Pacers. If you are going to judge his entire coaching career on one series without one of the keys to his team...I don't know what to say to that.
     
  15. crash5179

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    And you would expected Dunleavy to say his team sucks in the paper? Please. There really is no comparison to the talent level curently on the Rockets team and the one on that Bucks team.
     
  16. RIET

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    1994-1995 Milwaukee Bucks

    Todd Day: 16 ppg, 3.90 rebs
    Vin Baker : 17.7 ppg, 10.3 rebs
    Glenn Robinson: 21.9 ppg 6.4 rebs

    Average Age: 24



    2002-2003 Houston Rockets

    Cuttino Mobley:17.4 ppg, 3.90 rebs
    Yao Ming: 13.5 ppg, 8.20 rebs
    Steve Francis: 20.1 ppg, 6.30 rebs

    Average Age: 25


    HMMM??????????????????
     
  17. Stylez

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    RIET relax man.

    Yao Ming and Steve Francis are better than Glen "only can score" Robinson and an overhyped Vin Baker (weak crop of PF's in the east at the time). Also, Cuttino is better than any of those other scrubs (Day & Mayberry are you kidding me?). Mo is also more talented than any of those scrubs and Eddie has more potential than any of those guys.

    NYKRukes & Crash, I'm loving this intelligent banter between you two. JVG is a good coach and would be fine for the Rox. Dunleavy is a good coach and would be fine for the Rox. Now get back to arguing w/ each other ;)
     
  18. crash5179

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    How about the 3 years following his NBA finals appearance? As bad as the East was, and it was clearly awful, Van Gumby could not get his team back to the finals and he ended up quitting on them with only 19 games in his last season! That is not the resume of a man that I want coaching my team.
     
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    Re-Hire Rudy!!!
     
  20. earlcureton

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    i can't believe that rockets will be stuck with a coach worse than Rudy. Isn't there a possibility to talk to Pat Riley at least?
     

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