1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Gay Marriage Arguments

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Lil Pun, Jul 19, 2004.

  1. twhy77

    twhy77 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2002
    Messages:
    4,041
    Likes Received:
    73

    That's just a wonderful wonderful post. University of Chicago, I salute you.
     
  2. outlaw

    outlaw Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    4,496
    Likes Received:
    3
    if devout Christians are gonna demand a "voice" they should at least be consistent. They want to make sodomy a punishable offense but not adultery. Which one is in the 10 commandments again? Jesus was against divorce except in very specific circumstances. I don't hear Christians wanting to put that into the law. We don't live in a theocracy so why should we let any religion dictate the law?
     
  3. NJRocket

    NJRocket Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2001
    Messages:
    7,242
    Likes Received:
    27
    I have no problem with gays getting married...but they shouldn't be allowed to have kids
     
  4. mc mark

    mc mark Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 1999
    Messages:
    26,195
    Likes Received:
    471
    Care to elaborate as to why?
     
  5. outlaw

    outlaw Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    4,496
    Likes Received:
    3
    well if you're gonna say that then at least say why you feel that way.

    is it because you think that would make more gay people?
    both my parents are straight but I turned out not to be.

    when you say "allowed" do you mean no adoption? no surrogacy? no artificial insemination?
     
  6. NJRocket

    NJRocket Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2001
    Messages:
    7,242
    Likes Received:
    27
    Because its unfair to the kid. This poor kid has to go through his adolesence being teased by other kids because his mom is a guy...or his dad is a girl just because his parents are homosexual? You are punishing the child more than you are rewarding the parents when you allow this.

    Also, the kid grows up thinking that this sort of homosexual relationship is the norm. It clearly is not. Yes there are many gays....I have no issue with them....but it is not the norm and kids should not have to be exposed to it.

    You are probably going to argue which scenario is worse---a heterosexual couple on crack having kids or 2 nice gay guys who adopt ...or 2 women who get a sperm donor and get pregnant using in vitro. I don't think either situation is acceptable....but one is preventable.
     
  7. mc mark

    mc mark Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 1999
    Messages:
    26,195
    Likes Received:
    471
    fair enough

    Have you ever met a kid being raised by homosexuals?
     
  8. NJRocket

    NJRocket Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2001
    Messages:
    7,242
    Likes Received:
    27
    No i haven't.I think the whole concept (as far as i know) is fairly new so , being 35, I never grew up with a friend who was in that situation...nor do I know any gay couples who have kids.
     
  9. outlaw

    outlaw Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    4,496
    Likes Received:
    3
    kids get teased for all sorts of reasons.
    bi-racial kids get called oreos or half-breeds
    should we not allow interracial marriage?

    why is 2 heteros on crack having kids not preventable?
     
  10. NJRocket

    NJRocket Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2001
    Messages:
    7,242
    Likes Received:
    27
    I really don't agree that you can lump bi-racial kids into the same group as kids who have same sex parents.

    I got called plenty of names growing up in Houston being one of very few Jews...so I know kids can be mean for many other reasons. I can't say exactly...but its just not the same type of ridicule...just my opinion.

    As for preventing crackheads from procreating....how would you suggest to stop it?
     
  11. mc mark

    mc mark Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 1999
    Messages:
    26,195
    Likes Received:
    471
    So your assertion is an unsupported opinion.

    Being in the acting industry my whole life I have met several kids from gay families and I have found them to be the most socially adept kids I've ever met. They are well adjusted and understand who their parents are and what they are and generally have no hangups about it.

    I've had several conversations with one (who is 15 now) who says she has had very few problems with her peers and in fact, her friends have often came to her and solicited advice about their parents and why they can't be as "cool" as her parents.

    But that is just my experience.
     
  12. outlaw

    outlaw Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    4,496
    Likes Received:
    3
    why not? is one form of teasing acceptable or less hateful than another? why not focus on stopping the teasing altogether?

    well how do you suggest we prevent gays from procreating?
    if the government can waste time and effort to prevent gays from raising kids surely it can spend the same time and effort to prevent crackheads from doing the same thing.
     
  13. NJRocket

    NJRocket Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2001
    Messages:
    7,242
    Likes Received:
    27
    So because I haven't written a thesis on the subject it CAN'T hold water.

    I disagree with your assertion of my assertion:p

    Bottom line is that as much as gays are accepted in today's society, its not the norm. If you knowingly throw a kid into a situation like that, where they are on the defensive from day 1, you are not fulfilling the parents dreams as much as you are making it hard for the child.
     
  14. outlaw

    outlaw Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    4,496
    Likes Received:
    3
    except for those five wifes
     
  15. NJRocket

    NJRocket Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2001
    Messages:
    7,242
    Likes Received:
    27
    For gay men, you don't allow them to adopt.

    For gay women...the same as above and in addition, you do not let them do in vitro fertilization/ artificial insemination etc.

    Crackheads don't exactly have to use those avenues, now do they?
     
  16. mc mark

    mc mark Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 1999
    Messages:
    26,195
    Likes Received:
    471
    We'll just have to agree to disagree!

    :)
     
  17. thegary

    thegary Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2002
    Messages:
    11,006
    Likes Received:
    3,128
    the norm sucks jersey boy ;)
     
  18. outlaw

    outlaw Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    4,496
    Likes Received:
    3
    Judaism in Texas was not the norm. Your parents could have converted and made you Christian so you wouldn't get teased.

    how do you do that? does the government screen who uses sperm banks or buys turkey basters? if a single woman can get inseminated then why not one who has a woman for a partner?
     
  19. outlaw

    outlaw Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    4,496
    Likes Received:
    3
    so a kid is better off in an orphanage or bouncing around from foster homes than in a stable environment with two parents?
     
  20. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Messages:
    38,175
    Likes Received:
    29,655
    If one had to be totally consistent before they could have a voice in the society, then perhaps nobody could have a voice. And who is supposed to judge whether one is consistent or not?

    Christian are clearly not always consistent. But so are Muslims, gays, liberals, Republicans, etc. Are you saying that you have to straighten out all your thoughts before you can voice your political opinions?

    JV, very very great posts. I don't agree 100%, but great. And you are the best non-Christian here when it comes to understanding the Bible.
     

Share This Page