I would have a hard time pulling the trigger on a trade that would involve Yao. There is no question that Garnett is among one of the top five players in the league. Hopefully, Yao will one day get to that level. Honestly, Garnett will probably always be a better player but I just would not do that deal.
Cuttino Mobley, Eddie Griffin, a 1st round draft pick, and Glen Rice for Kevin Garnett. Then trade Maurice Taylor, Moochie Norris, and a 2nd round pick to Toronto for Alvin Williams and Jerome Williams. W00t! Williams/Francis/Anybody Francis/Posey/Hawkins Nachbar/Posey/Garnett/Morris Garnett/Williams/Morris/Cato Yao/Cato/Williams/Garnett Yes. Definitely Francis for Garnett. But still......Francis, Yao, and Garnett would be awesome. But never gonna happen.
Don't underestimate the Laker camp, last I checked they have 2 top 3 players in the league that may or not both be coming back next season.
For all of those that say the Rockets will not trade Steve Francis because he is a super star and there for he is untouchable, I want to run a few names by you. Elvin Hayes Moses Malone Ralph Sampson All three of those were bigger super stars than Francis is now and all three were traded. Anyone that would not trade Francis for KG is just not thinking straight. KG is the superior player.
According to Sam Smith, Chicago has some pretty good young talent to offer & their #1 pick this year. His proposed trade would be J.Williams/Chandler/Rose/Robinson/their #1 pick. If I were Minnesota, I'd want them to substitute Donyell Marshall for Robinson & Crawford for J.Williams. A new starting lineup of.... C: Nesterovic/#1 pick? PF: Chandler/M.Jackson SF: Marshall/Smith SG: Rose/Szczerbiak PG: Crawford/Hudson .....wouldn't be too bad. It'd give them some youthful talent with much smaller contracts. Maybe they could trade Szczerbiak & the Chicago pick to the team with the 3rd pick & get Milicic, if he's still available. http://chicagosports.chicagotribune...idenba,1,568317.column?coll=cs-home-headlines Bulls have what KG wants May 18, 2003, 10:03 PM CDT This is the week the Bulls may be able to put together a deal for Kevin Garnett. Word around the NBA is the Timberwolves are willing to trade Garnett, most likely to a large-market team that could meet his price as a free agent. The Timberwolves don't want to let on they would consider a deal for their best player ever, but for the first time owner Glen Taylor recently opened the door to a deal, saying: "The only way we would probably trade him is if Kevin said that he really thought that was the best thing for him, or something like that. It would have to be built on something I couldn't even think of right now. We don't want to, and I don't think he would want to, but that would be the scenario, I suppose. I don't think I would necessarily accept that just because he said that. But that's a possibility." Those comments to Minneapolis reporters confirmed what general managers had been hearing: Garnett could be had. And the Bulls, more than any NBA team, have the requisites to make a deal. Plus, the Bulls' door is finally open with the hiring of John Paxson as GM. Garnett, who attended his senior year of high school at Chicago's Farragut, previously said he wouldn't come to the Bulls because he blamed Jerry Krause for the team's decline after 1998. Paying Garnett may be the key. Garnett has one season left on his six-year, $126 million contract. He is eligible for an extension that begins at $29.4 million a year. The Timberwolves cannot afford to pay that because they also want to re-sign free-agent center Rasho Nesterovic and are well over the salary cap and into luxury-tax territory. They want Garnett to take a massive pay cut. He doesn't see why when the Timberwolves cannot get out of the first round of the playoffs and cannot build around him. The Bulls, with their huge arena and record number of suites, are one of the few teams that could afford to go well into luxury-tax territory to pay Garnett. And they have the talent to put together a deal that would look attractive to the Timberwolves. The dealmaking starts Thursday with the NBA draft lottery. If the Bulls, with the seventh-worst record, manage to jump up for one of the top two picks, they probably would take LeBron James or Carmelo Anthony and forget any deals. But if the Bulls get the expected pick toward the bottom of the top 10, they could send that selection to Minnesota to make up an intriguing package of players. The deal probably would be the Bulls' No. 1 pick, Tyson Chandler, Jay Williams, Eddie Robinson and Jalen Rose. With the draft picks and young talent, the Timberwolves could develop a talented team and maintain their balance sheet. The Bulls' rotation would include Eddy Curry and Jamal Crawford, who are the closest friends on the team, Garnett, Donyell Marshall, Marcus Fizer and a perimeter player with the salary-cap exception such as Corey Maggette, Antonio Daniels, Jason Terry or James Posey. That's a team that could get to the NBA Finals. Like the Nets and Pistons, the Bulls should be saying, "Why not us? Why not now?"
Kevin Garnett is no doubt an all-star, despite seven years of first-round exits in the playoffs. Now if he can be the second coming of Ralph Sampson for Houston, then, wow!....yes...consider it.... The reason I ever became a Rockets fan was because of Ralph Sampson. Bring back the twin towers!
If they could agree to a deal, the Bulls would be picking a player that the Timberwolves dictated and the transaction would be done later in the summer? If it gets the Bulls to the 50+ wins level next season........it would be a good deal for the Rockets.
why have an allstar in wally sitting on the bench? hes 6'7 and can play the 3. a lineup of Netsterovic chandler wally rose crawford is dangerous enough.
The Lakers won't offer Shaq or Kobe. Kobe would opt out of his contract, and Shaq would retire if they were traded to Minny. Besides, they're both better than KG, so why would any of the teams do that? Like I said, only 2 etams can tempt the Wolves with a real star: Houston (Francis) Toronto (Carter) No one else can offer the same star power.
Pretty much what I said also. KG really does hold the cards on this one. Any team that he's trade to, he can just say I won't resign and teams would pull their offer off the table. The scenerio with the Rockets are pretty mush the same. Taylor-8mill Cato-7mill Rice-9mill Francis-5mill 2 1st rd picks _______________ 29mill Garnett-29mill Then the Rockets can send eddie Griffin off for a player. The thing is, if Garnett is added here, Mobley could move back to the pg like his rookie yr,Posey to the 2, and Nachbar or Morris at the 3 spot. If they really wanted to make it right, the Rockets could throw in Griffin for Marc Jackson and play Garnett at the 3 spot and play Jackson at the 4. A deal could get done, its just a matter of how bad do the Rockets want Garnett.
leebigez - I am not even sure you need to give up SF. CM, EG, MoT, and GR plus 2 picks may get it done if KG wanted to leave. When you analyze the package - above average 2 that allows WS to move to the 3, what I feel is his natural position, a potential stud in EG - remember LOTS of people where high on him after last season, and I think the addition of Yao hurt him and will continue to hurt his development. Why would you give EG touches in the post when you can go to a 7'6" big guy that is already more polished? I do find it odd that so many are down on EG on this site. The fact that ATL wanted to trade SAR for him shows that he has very solid trade value. Add a very servicable center into the mix with Rasho. The kicker is GR. When his contract is up they can add a player they want through FA. Couple all this with 2 first round picks, and you might get their attention. Is it likely who knows but never say never. Remember we traded Roderick Rhodes for Pippen because Pip wanted to leave the bulls
I know he was part of the deal, but I left him out because it didn't help my point. That deal just shows that anything can happen. How many people on the Sonics fan site would have blasted someone for saying they could get Kenny Anderson for Baker?
I don't think there's anymore to say, except that, we don't have to do more than beat the next best offer. If Chicago or Indy has the next best deal, we can beat that without Francis. I am growing uneasy with the lineups that feature Yao Garnett and nothing else. I don't want another 1st round exit team. We need one other high quality distributor to make that thing work. Yao and Garnett could both use an enforcer to play with. I see a lot of ways for that team to get beat. Garnett lite is SAR at the 3. Much cheaper, similar production, minus the star defense. You would have the pieces left over to also get a good big pg, keep Francis, get an enforcer 4. compare ======================================= Yao v Yao Garnett v Kurt Thomas or PJ Tmo v SAR or Odom Hawk v Francis Hudson v A.Williams or Crawford no bench adequete bench ======================================= Sure, Garnett is better than everyone else, but he needs the ball. When San Antonio packs it in with O'Neal ()and Duncan, who is going to bring our outside game? How does Yao/Garnett beat Dallas, when they start raining 3s? Can we neutralize Dallas cutting inside; make them hurt? Is there a team game? The only answer I can see in team Y-G is we keep Cat. That gives us an adequate backcourt. I'm sure that's why the cat lovers are all over this. But personally, I'm not sure Cat kan beat Dallas, beat SA, even with Garnett. ( He doesn't play with Yao, so no point thinking of them as a team. ) I do think a balanced team of Yao/Francis and thug, top 3, big d 1 can. The other option is to sign some FAs to play with Yao/Garnett. I like this better than keeping Cat, really (it's no secret I don't like his game). You have to wait until Garnett's contract renews at max, to have room. Luckily, Yao doesn't max for a while, so there's the potential to get some guys like Payton (whos on the list that year?) to play for a ring. Still don't see Mc.Hale ever ever trading KG. I wouldn't. Let him walk. Start over with cap room and draft picks, not a load of crap.
Exactly! Garnett decides where he is going. If he wants Houston, a package without involving Francis will work!
We are going to be way above the luxury tax and I don't really think that the wolves will take a bait over players that are over payed for Garnett. The guy was just a complete package!
There is no posts that show why Minn. should want to trade KG. You value too much of Rice's contract. Nine (9) mils will get you a second tier star at best. If it can get us someone like Brand, then we might as well keep it and lure Brand here instead. True is, it is not even enough to get Rahim (12 mils). If you look at it in term of money alone, why don't Minn just simply lets KG walk and frees up 25 mils. They can get 2,3 young studs like you promise! If that is not simple enough to convince you, compare KG to Yao Ming for the Rockets. Let's just say Mo, EG, Cat, GR (or Rahim) are on another team. Are you willing to trade Yao for them plus 20 other scrubs? HELL NO!!! Trade declined!!
