Are the numbers in the book? And has this been peer-reviewed? I see where the authors are coming from to make these connections, but until there's more information out there about it, I'll stay here on the skeptical side. It is quite interesting though - I'd like to read it.
Great, let's kill all the people who present a greater than average risk of becoming criminals before they ever commit a crime. I believe poor people are first on that list. Statistically, it includes black people as well. What a great idea. No need to let the fact that many of them will never commit a crime, nor that crime won't be eliminated anyway get in the way. Fire up the death camps baby.
I'm going to have to check this book out when I'm at Borders this weekend. Looks like a really good read.
this is similar to what is called the "roe effect" ie the rise of conserrvatism in america can be partly attributed to pro-abortion liberals aborting their children while conservatives didn't. i don't buy it, and this seems just as far-fetched.
Check this out.... A conservative friend of mine, who I often have civilized eek: ) political discussions with, recently told me that in his opinion, the reason Social Security is going bankrupt is because (1) baby boomers are retiring and (2) the abortions that have occurred in the US in the past 30+ years have robbed the workforce of workers who would have paid enough into Social Security to keep it solvent. Do you agree?
not sure i know enough about the democraphics to have an opinion. both the freakonimics and roe effect observations strike me as pretty facile explanations for what are long term trends w/ multiple casuses. as i've aged and gone through prenancy and early child rearing w/ my own kids, i've increasingly become conflicted about abortion, although not for any religious reasons (i'm profoundly agnostic). and i think whatever the rationales for early term abortion are, the "it's my body" arguement is the least helpful to the pro-choice side. a fetus is not a boil to be lanced because it's "inconvenient." but i suppose that's an arguement for another thread!
Well as I've said all along the solution to all of our problems is Universal Mandated Abortion (UMA) Its very simple when you think about it. Guns don't kill people kill people. Machetes and torches don't slash and burn people slash and burn. The government doesn't rack up big debt people running the government do. Cars don't pollute the environment people do. Michael Jackson's body doesn't molest kids people well actually its questionable whether Michael Jackson still is a person.... The common thread here is that all problems are caused by people and UMA solves that in the most elegant way by eventually getting rid of all people. Just remember No people, no problem!
ok, do you also are against euthanasia? Do also think that is murder? Just interested. i get the feeling alot of people would really dislike living in the netherlands. The funny thing is that alot of countrys think the netherlands is to progressive, while alot of dutch think we are to conservative with alot of things(including me).
I think if people make clear their wishes that they do not want to be kept on life support, then they should be allowed to die. I think if people want to kill themselves, they should be allowed to do that as well. I do not think we need to have "assisted suicide" like Kevorkian was providing, just let the person do it themselves. I don't think anyone else should be allowed to decide that someone "wouldn't have wanted o live like this," like in the Schiavo case. If there is not written documentation of someone's wishes, the assumption shouild always be life over death.
ok thanks for explaining. I think that the schiavo case is very complicated. for example i do not want to life like she did. and my girlfriend knows that, but i never wrote it down, so if i now have a accident it is my girlfriends word against people who want to keep me alive(however my parent would trust my girlfriend, which they should). But the problem in schiavo is that the parents and the husband sayd different things.
I don't think anybody has calculated the actual numbers in attempt to demonstrate the truth of the arguement. There are threads of truth which run through the arguement but the A+B=C relationship is nothing more than conjecture.
edit. Anyway, to do a scientific experiment for this "hypothesis" would be pretty inhumane. Aristotle might try it, pre-scientific method, but that wouldn't go over too well today.
Legalized abortion led to less people; Each person can hold about 40 L of H2O; Legalized abortion, therefore, led to less drought.
well there was a crack epidemic that killed a lot of ppl there have been wars and its the poor and young who go fight them incarceration is at an all time high of what 2 million ppl? suicide among young ppl at record high all this probably has as much of an effect as abortion. maybe there are less well to do people being born who would have gotten robbed or mugged too.
