FIRE Carroll Dawson

I think he read it perfectly.

 

I did. I don't get the distinction. Wouldn't what applies to CD apply to most GM's? Wouldn't all GM's share responsibility?

I'm not even calling for CD's firing; as said, I don;t really have an opinion. ANd I did ask to what degree his hands were tied, as a means of portioning blame. But if his hands were free, but he relied on others for scouting personel, etc., that's what GM's do.

 

Do you really think that all GMs share equal responsibility and power??

Does CD have the same say-so that Jerry West does?

The final call is not CDs, unlike many other GMs who do make the final call. There is a distinction.

Not all GMs are created equal.

 

Dude, CD is a good GM. You're judging him based on a few bad drafts and hindsight analysis. We loved the Anderson, Posey, Taylor, Griffin, Morris, Nachbar moves. We hated Cato, Collier, Najara. Round 2 is a crapshoot so you can't rag on him for Tito or Badaine. He's gotten big things done before, he's a personable guy which is in short supply these days with JVG being not as loved as Rudy by far. He's like the last holdover after this year. He can still do the job extremely well. After he gets T-Mac, he'll be out of the doghouse.

 

Codell:


I disagree, strongly, but for the sake of argument, let's assume that you're correct.

So under what circumstances could CD be fired, short of criminal activity? Where would the accountability rest?

( Again, not saying he should be...but debating the premise that his propensity to delegate/rely on others somehow excuses him of responsibility.)

 

With what??

Do you feel that Jerry West and CD do have the same power with their respective teams or have the same so??

Do you feel that all GMS are hired under the same rules and responsibilities??

Do you feel that ALL GMs make the *final* call on personnel decisions??

Please let me know which part you disagree with. I'd love to know.

Given the duties of CD, that Jeff has clearly outline for us, I would say a botched negotiation that caused us to lose a player or working outside the parameters that he has been given.

Or, if Les wanted to go in a different direction and hand over full control on personnel decisions to a proven GM (like Jerry West, etc.).

If hes given parameters in which to work with, in which he is restricted by the coach/scouts/Les and makes a deal, makes a bad deal or can not make a deal, then no, he can't be held accountable.

If I tell one my employees to go out, and buy a computer for the office, but don't spend more than $100, then I can't very well hold him responsible if he comes back without a computer.

If I tell one my employess to go out, and buy a computer for the office, and to spend how every much it takes, then I can very well hold him responsible if he comes back without a computer.

Per Jeff, CD's job duties would fall under the latter example, and not the former.

 

I won't come to any conclusions until after the offseason.

CD is one of the most respected GMs in the league, a lot of people consider him one of the best. But I need to see some work get done this summer.

It just seems that there are a lot of good teams that are making improvements, while the Rox just seem to be standing still.

1. LA added 2 hall of famers (West Finals).
2. Minn added Spree and Cassell (West Finals).
3. SA were defending champs and talks are about T-Mac now.

I just don't want to see another offseason go by and the Rox have nothing to show for it. JJ was a really nice pickup, and we didn't expect Eddie to do what he did, but its obious that we need make some major improvements.

 

Forgive me for jumping in. The answer to this question is fairly easy. He is accountable for whatever his job is supposed to be. If his job is mainly contract negotiation, then he is accountable for that. If his job is making decisions on what players the team should have, then he is accountable for that.

Jeff's point is that making player decisions is not his primary job, so he should not be primarily accountable for it. Some people on the board, however, use poor player decisions as the basis for wanting to fire CD. That is barking up the wrong tree.

 

I disagree about Jerry West. You KNOW who's in charge in Memphis - who makes the decisions - who is responsible for the results. That's a major reason why the Grizzlies have leaped over the Rockets in wins. Memphis clearly has a plan and the person to execute that plan. Can you honestly say that the same situation exists here in Houston?

If this is the way they are doing business in Rocketland, then it's no wonder that they have been stuck in the 40 something win box for all of these years. The Rockets are like a ship that's drifting along with the current with no one at the helm. Somewhere below deck there's a committee "meeting" going on about charting a course. There's no one to take the responsibility when this ship goes offcourse and there's no one with a plan for getting to wherever this ship is headed. Of course, no one knows where that "wherever" is so hopefully, things will somehow, some way work themselves out for the best.

(Somewhere Bobby McFerrin can be heard singing "Don't worry. Be happy...")

 

Nice touch.

 

1) No, not really. But I do know that the job comes with an accountability for the personel moves of the franchise. I don't think all coaches are given equal say in personal moves, or are equally supported by management, but I do know what happens to them when the team plays lousy for an extended period.

Besides, you are making assumptions that, to my knowledge, aren't supported by evidence. Do you know to what degree CD has authority over the people who make the personel moves? Is he free to fire them if they repeatedly fail? Does he have any say in their hiring in the first place? WIthout answers to these, and other questions, how can you assume that what applies to almost any other GM doesn't apply to CD?

 

People are assuming Rudy made most of the personnel decisions and took the fall as coach/talent evaluater. That's probably legitimate.

However, even if Rudy was the primary point man for personnel decisions (draft, player retention, trade, etc.), it's hard to imagine CD not playing a significant role in the bad contracts given to Moochie, Mo Taylor, Kelvin Cato, etc.

The contract mistakes are a big reason why we had to give up our 1st round pick this year and still not have as much cap flexibility as some of our rivals.

I'm anxious to see what moves we make in the offseason and how we use the extra money from the Rice trade.

If we can get McGrady (say a little prayer) and add a good role player, we could be golden for years.

 

So what if he pulls off the trade, the other thing will be can he fill in the other holes to make this team a championship caliber team.
I don't think so

 

Someone should develop a rating system for GM's. Seriously, how hard could it be given all the player and team rankings that already exist.