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  1. Batman Jones

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64173-2003Apr20.html

    Local Officials Rise Up to Defy The Patriot Act

    By Evelyn Nieves
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Monday, April 21, 2003; Page A01


    ARCATA, Calif. -- This North Coast city may look sweet -- old, low-to-the-ground buildings, town square with a bronze statue of William McKinley, ambling pickup trucks -- but it acts like a radical.

    Arcata was one of the first cities to pass resolutions against global warming and a unilateral war in Iraq. Last month, it joined the rising chorus of municipalities to pass a resolution urging local law enforcement officials and others contacted by federal officials to refuse requests under the Patriot Act that they believe violate an individual's civil rights under the Constitution. Then, the city went a step further.

    This little city (pop.: 16,000) has become the first in the nation to pass an ordinance that outlaws voluntary compliance with the Patriot Act.

    "I call this a nonviolent, preemptive attack," said David Meserve, the freshman City Council member who drafted the ordinance with the help of the Arcata city attorney, city manager and police chief.

    The Arcata ordinance may be the first, but it may not be the last. Across the country, citizens have been forming Bill of Rights defense committees to fight what they consider the most egregious curbs on liberties contained in the Patriot Act. The 342-page act, passed by Congress one month after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, with little input from a public still in shock, has been most publicly criticized by librarians and bookstore owners for the provisions that force them to secretly hand over information about a patron's reading and Internet habits. But citizens groups are becoming increasingly organized and forceful in rebuking the Patriot Act and the Homeland Security Act for giving the federal government too much power, especially since a draft of the Justice Department's proposed sequel to the Patriot Act (dubbed Patriot II) was publicly leaked in January.

    Both the Patriot Act and the Homeland Security Act, which created the Cabinet-level department, follow the Constitution, says Justice Department spokesman Mark Corallo. Federal law trumps local law in any case, which would mean Arcata would be in for a fight -- a fight it wants -- if the feds did make a Patriot Act request. LaRae Quy, a spokeswoman for the San Francisco FBI office, whose jurisdiction includes Arcata, said that the agency has no plans to use the Patriot Act in Arcata any time soon, but added that people misunderstood it. Although some people feel their privacy rights are being infringed upon, she said, the agency still has to show "probable cause for any actions we take."

    But to date, 89 cities have passed resolutions condemning the Patriot Act, with at least a dozen more in the works and a statewide resolution against the act close to being passed in Hawaii.

    "We want the local police to do what they were meant to do -- protect their citizens," said Nancy Talanian, co-director of the Bill of Rights Defense Committee in Florence, Mass., which gives advice to citizens groups on how to draft their own resolution.

    Although cities across the country passed antiwar resolutions before the attack on Iraq with little notice from the administration, Talanian said that the anti-Patriot Act resolutions are "not quite as symbolic" as those that passed against the war.

    "Normally, the president and Congress don't pay that much attention when it comes to waging war," she said. "But in the case of the Patriot Act, the federal government can't really tell municipalities that you have to do the work that the INS or the FBI wants you to do. The city can say, 'No, I'm sorry. We hire our police to protect our citizens and we don't want our citizens pulled aside and thrown in jail without probable cause.' "

    In Hawaii, home to many Japanese Americans who vividly recall the Japanese internments during World War II, Democratic state Rep. Roy Takumi introduced a resolution on the Patriot Act as a way to raise debate, he said. Although the resolution may be seen as symbolic, he said, "states have every right to consider the concerns of the federal government and voice our opinions. If a number of states begin to pass similar resolutions, then it raises the bar for Congress, making them realize our concerns. I hope to see what we've done here plays a role in mobilizing people to take action."

    Lawmakers and lobbyists on both ends of the political spectrum are beginning to sound more alarms about the antiterrorism act, which gave the government unprecedented powers to spy on citizens. Rep. Bernard Sanders (I-Vt.) has introduced a bill, the "Freedom to Read Protection Act" (H.R. 1157), that would restore the privacy protections for library book borrowers and bookstore purchases. The bill has 73 co-sponsors.

    Earlier this month, Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.), the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, and Rep. John Conyers Jr. (Mich.), the ranking Democrat, asked the Justice Department for more information on the government's use of the Patriot Act to track terrorists, questioning what "tangible things" the government can subpoena in investigations of U.S. citizens.

    Sensenbrenner and Conyers sent an 18-page letter to Attorney General John D. Ashcroft, challenging the department's increased use of "national security letters" requiring businesses to hand over electronic records on finances, telephone calls, e-mails and other personal data.

    They questioned the guidelines under which investigators can subpoena private books, records, papers, documents and other items; asked whether the investigations targeted only people identified as agents of a foreign power; and asked the attorney general to "identify the specific authority relied on for issuing these letters."

    The Justice Department said it is working on the request.

    But citizens groups, worried about a timid Congress, are not waiting for their elected officials to act before launching a campaign against the proposed sequel to the Patriot Act, the "Domestic Security Enhancement Act." The Idaho Green Party has begun the Paul Revere Project to stop Patriot Act II before it can be passed.

    The proposed addendum to the Patriot Act, which the Justice Department has insisted is only a draft of ideas, would enlarge many of the controversial provisions in the first Patriot Act. It would give the government authority to wiretap an individual and collect a person's DNA without court orders, detain people in secret and revoke citizenship, among other powers.

    The proposed sequel to the act has galvanized communities in a bottom-up, grass-roots way, Talanian said. "Before a community votes on resolutions, they engage in forums and petitioning to show the town council they want this. After, communities band together and do things like visit the offices of their entire congressional delegations and say our communities have these concerns and now we are asking you to help."

    In Arcata, where forums drew little debate, the new law is an unqualified hit. It passed by a vote of 4 to 1, but has what looks like near-unanimous approval from residents.

    Meserve, a weather-worn builder and contractor in his fifties who wears a ponytail and flannel shirts, hasn't felt so popular since he won his council seat running on the platform, "The Federal Government Has Gone Stark, Raving Mad."

    "The ordinance went through so easily that we were surprised," he said. "We started going up to people asking what they thought. They thought, 'great.' It's our citywide form of nonviolent disobedience."

    The fine for breaking the new law, which goes into effect May 2, is $57. It applies only to the top nine managers of the city, telling them they have to refer any Patriot Act request to the City Council.
     
  2. bigtexxx

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    I guess nobody in Arcata lost a loved one in the 9/11 tragedy.
     
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    That's pretty weak.


    Is that gonna be your answer to everything relating to post 9/11 America?
     
  4. MacBeth

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    That's a joke, right? I mean, you can't possibly mean that tragedy jusitifies anything which might help to arguably prevent further tragedy...not really, right? Are you also concerned that the trains run on time?
     
  5. Batman Jones

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    There are many "patriots" of the right wing variety who also have a problem with the Patriot Acts. Some people had the weird reacton to 9/11 of actually wanting to protect the liberties and principles this country was founded on, even to the exclusion of reactionary, fear-based laws.
     
  6. Timing

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    The new litmus test for decision making in American society.
     
  7. F.D. Khan

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    "Those who give up freedom for security, achieve neither"

    - Benjamin Franklin
     
  8. pgabriel

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    And people died for our freedoms in the first place.
     
  9. DCkid

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    I don't think it justifies "anything" which could help to arguably preven further tragedy...but some things? Yes.
     
  10. bigtexxx

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    The proposed addendum to the Patriot Act, which the Justice Department has insisted is only a draft of ideas, would enlarge many of the controversial provisions in the first Patriot Act. It would give the government authority to wiretap an individual and collect a person's DNA without court orders, detain people in secret and revoke citizenship, among other powers.

    If these measures save one American life, I am 100% behind them. It is a shame that some people had to go and take advantage of some of our freedoms, but those loopholes have been exposed and we must act to prevent them from being manipulated again. What are this town's issues with these preventive measures? What is clouding their judgment is their mistrust of the US government. Honest US citizens should have no problem with the measures in the Patriot Act. We're hardly losing our American freedom with these measures. They have nothing to fear. Fear is watching two 100 story buildings full of hard working americans burn in flames and fall 1,000 feet as the people inside and firefighters are crushed and killed.
     
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    Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
     
  12. pasox2

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    Interesting. This may work in a city of 16000, but what about Houston? Should the mayor and city council spend their time on judicial challenges to federal law? If they really want the test case, they need to arrest someone. Unfortunately, they'd have to get a Patriot act info request from Justice. I don't see that happening, so this is all a lot of blowhard puffing.
     
  13. Mulder

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    This is the point that you don't seem to get. Let's say that someone, anyone has a beef with you. Now let's say that this someone took part of your above statement and told the government that you posted this:

    Technically, you posted that. Now of course I have bastardized and edited the post until it has completely changed its meaning. However, given broader provisions, this is all the government would need to completely RUIN YOUR LIFE! Don't believe me, think I am over exagerating? Why don't you ask all the writers, actors, and directors who were black listed in the fifties. Better yet, ask the thousands of American Citizens of Japanese descent whose homes and land were sold and who were IMPRISONED simply because of their race.
     
  14. DCkid

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    Come on, you really think that's all going to happen again? How long has the Patriot Act been law? A little over a year? What's the worst "horror" story?
     
  15. bigtexxx

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    Well guess what, champ, another terrorist attack would ruin plenty of people's lives. You've really stretched out what's being proposed here and laid out the absolute worst case scenario. Let me review it for you. Here's the list. Wiretapping an individual and collecting a person's DNA without court orders, detaining people in secret and revoking citizenship. These measures pale in comparison to watching CNN as they report from LA, where some Islamic militant has just detonated a nuclear bomb. Bottom line is that these measures protect Americans more than they will harm them, so it is absolutely worth it. I see this whole episode as the anti-W crowd looking for a fight to pick.
     
  16. Batman Jones

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    We wouldn't even know what the worst horror story is from Patriot I. The government is allowed to prosecute the act in secret. But Patriot II, which is far more alarming to most people (including many Congressional Republicans) is not law yet, so your point is a moot one when it comes to that.
     
  17. Timing

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    I don't know about the worst, but there was the Muslim who used a Kinko's computer to buy an airline ticket that some terrorist happened to use previously (same computer) and he was beat up, thrown in prison, and detained for months without being able to see his family or a lawyer. He's suing the government right about now along with other people who've had similar experiences. Innocent people have plenty to fear.
     
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    You are a complete idiot.
     
  19. Batman Jones

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    Thanks for relating that, Timing. There will be more such stories to follow, sadly.

    While we're on the subject of having nothing to hide hence nothing to fear, could we get that Energy Commission info from Cheney? And also maybe the April Glaspie papers? I mean, these guys don't have anything to hide, right? Why are they acting like they do? Also, let's do away with those pesky search and seizure laws. If you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't mind the cops or the feds going through your glove box or your underwear drawer whenever they want and with or without permission, right?
     
  20. underoverup

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    You are so very sad, this is a cry for help. The problem is will anyone bother to help you?
     

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