I think this the first Steroid/Bonds thread that belongs in here because this is gonna get ugly. Supposedly the feds wanted Grimsley to wear a wire to catch bonds. this is what your federal tax dollars are spent on, insuring the integerity of the records of a freakin game. link PHOENIX -- An attorney for released Arizona Diamondbacks pitcher Jason Grimsley said Wednesday that federal agents tried to pressure the player into wearing a listening device in an effort to collect incriminating evidence against San Francisco Giants slugger Barry Bonds, The Arizona Republic reported. "It was a specific effort to target Bonds," attorney Edward F. Novak told the newspaper. "We were told that Jason's cooperation was necessary to their case." Novak said Grimsley subsequently "was outed by the feds" because he didn't cooperate, the Republic reported. FAQ on HGH What is human growth hormone? • Growth hormone is a powerful anabolic hormone that occurs naturally in the human body. It is produced by the pituitary gland in the brain and stimulates the growth of muscle, cartilage and bone. • A body produces growth hormone throughout its entire life, but produces more of it during youth. • HGH was initially isolated in 1956. By 1959, it was starting to be used on children suffering from stunted growth. • Originally, prior to genetic engineering, the only source of HGH was human corpses. The pituitary glands were removed from cadavers, processed and the hormones made available in injectable form. However, synthetic HGH can now be made in unlimited quantities in the laboratory. The International Olympic Committee's medical commission banned HGH in 1989. Why would an athlete take HGH? • To increase muscle size. Because there is a correlation between muscle size and strength, competitors in events that require power and short bursts of explosive strength would be most likely to benefit. It also allows tired muscles to recover faster -- allowing you to train harder and more often. Are there any side effects? • If a body has too much HGH, a condition can result called acromegaly, a disease where the hands become spade-like in appearance as they get bigger. Growth of the facial bones causes the face to change shape too. • Organs such as the heart, liver and kidneys also undergo excessive growth, leading to potentially life-threatening problems. • Accelerated cell growth also increases the risk for cancers. SOURCE: ESPN Research Department and BBC.co.uk "They asked him specifically about Barry Bonds, and Jason said he didn't know Bonds well and didn't know if he did or didn't use drugs," Novak told the paper. Investigators then asked Grimsley whether he knew any of Bonds' teammates who might confide in Grimsley about the slugger's alleged use of performance enhancements, Novak said. Grimsley refused, telling investigators that "baseball players don't go around talking about who is using and who isn't," Novak added. But he apparently named members of the 2005 Orioles as amphetamine users in his interview with an IRS agent, The Baltimore Sun reported Thursday. The Diamondbacks released Grimsley earlier Wednesday, one day after his home was searched by federal agents as part of an investigation into steroid use by athletes. The raid -- and Grimsley's implication of other major league ballplayers -- was the latest sign that widespread investigations into drug use by athletes are still active, even in the era of tougher testing. "Clearly," U.S. Attorney Kevin Ryan said, "we're not done." Grimsley's agent Joe Bick told The Associated Press he thought this would mark the end of the 38-year-old reliever's career. "My guess is Jason's done playing," Bick said in a telephone interview. "I couldn't anticipate that he would play again, but that's his call. "He didn't want to be a distraction to the team," he said. "I am deeply saddened whenever there is an allegation that a Major League Baseball player is involved in the use of performance-enhancing substances," commissioner Bud Selig said in a statement. "Because this is an ongoing criminal investigation, I will not make any comment about this specific case. As a general matter, however, I urge everyone associated with Major League Baseball -- from the players to the union to the owners -- to cooperate with the ongoing investigations by the federal government and by former Sen. George Mitchell." Diamondbacks general manager Josh Byrnes said that Grimsley had requested his unconditional release in meetings with team officials Tuesday and Wednesday. "We accepted his request," Byrnes said. As for the remainder of Grimsley's $825,000 salary, "there was no negotiation," Bick said. "Released players get paid." Diamondbacks pitcher Terry Mulholland said Grimsley addressed his teammates after the loss to the Philadelphia Phillies on Tuesday. "He expressed to us that he had too much respect for us to allow this to bring us down," Mulholland said. "He's that kind of guy." Grimsley's locker in the calm clubhouse was empty when the room was opened to the media Wednesday before a game with the Phillies. Thirteen federal agents had searched Grimsley's house in Scottsdale, Ariz., for six hours Tuesday, according to Internal Revenue Service agent Mark Lessler, who would not say what they found. Investigators who cracked the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operativesteroid scandal in San Francisco said Grimsley initially cooperated in the probe but withdrew his assistance in April, prompting the search. Authorities tracked a package containing two "kits" of human growth hormone -- about a season's supply -- that was delivered at Grimsley's house on April 19, court documents released Tuesday showed. Moments later, agents armed with a warrant offered him an option: Cooperate with their investigation into athletes using performance-enhancing drugs or submit to an immediate search. Grimsley agreed to be interviewed. Grimsley told investigators he paid for a shipment of HGH while with the Orioles and said he had purchased the substance 10 to 12 times over several years, The Sun reported. He proceeded to detail his "receipt and use of anabolic steroids, amphetamines and human growth hormone over the last several years" but said he went exclusively with HGH when baseball's testing program began. Baseball doesn't test for HGH, and MLB executive vice president Rob Manfred said HGH "is a problem for all sports because there is no universally accepted and validated test." "No governing body in any sport has ever been able to discipline an athlete for the use of HGH," he said. Grimsley also identified several other players who he said had used or supplied the drugs, though their names were blacked out from court documents. They included a handful of former teammates and one player he identified as one of his "better friends in baseball," adding that it was common knowledge that "Latin players" were a major source for amphetamines; the Arizona Republic reported that major leaguers on California teams who could easily travel to Mexico to buy the drugs were also a source. He also identified a personal fitness trainer to several major league ballplayers who once referred him to someone that later supplied him with an array of drugs. "I have no comment about that and no idea about that," Grimsley told The Arizona Republic on Tuesday, hours before the Diamondbacks played the Phillies. After Arizona's 10-1 loss, manager Bob Melvin said news of the investigation might have affected the team. Grimsley spent the game in the bullpen and warmed up at one point. Grimsley began his big-league career with Philadelphia in 1989 and has pitched for Cleveland, California, the New York Yankees, Kansas City, Baltimore and Arizona. He has a career record of 42-58 with a 4.77 ERA. According to court documents, Grimsley failed a league drug test in 2003. Authorities said when he was cooperating, he admitted to using human growth hormone, amphetamines and steroids. He added that amphetamine use was prevalent in pro baseball and that it was placed in coffee in clubhouses -- marked "leaded" or "unleaded" to indicate which pots contained the drugs -- IRS agent Jeff Novitsky wrote. The investigation is being run by prosecutors and authorities in San Francisco, where five BALCO defendants pleaded guilty to distributing or developing steroids. Ryan said the government probe will "diligently follow the evidence." A federal grand jury in San Francisco is also investigating whether Bonds lied under oath about using the performance-enhancing drug known as "the clear" during his grand jury testimony that led to the indictment of four people connected to BALCO. The issue of athletes and drugs has been a constant topic in sports, heightened when Mark McGwire, Rafael Palmeiro and Sammy Sosa testified before Congress last year and further fueled by the Grimsley developments. "It can't be more of a distraction than it already is," New York Yankees pitcher Mike Mussina said. "Every time Barry Bonds comes up to the plate, they're talking about it. How much longer can you keep talking about the same subject?" Word of the Grimsley investigation comes nearly two months after an Illinois-based scientist prominent in the field of sports nutritional supplements pleaded guilty to supplying the BALCO lab with the performance-enhancing drug known as "the clear." Patrick Arnold pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to distribute steroids to BALCO, a steroid ring that San Francisco investigators broke up two years ago. Those same authorities are targeting Grimsley. Arnold is scheduled to be sentenced in August and will most likely face three months in jail and three months of home detention. A separate federal grand jury is probing who leaked Bonds' testimony from the BALCO investigation to the San Francisco Chronicle. So far, the BALCO probe has netted guilty pleas from Arnold, BALCO president Victor Conte, Bonds' trainer Greg Anderson, BALCO vice president James Valente and track coach Remi Korchemny. Diamondbacks managing general partner Ken Kendrick told reporters in the dugout before the game Wednesday that the players' association and management need to get together on even tougher drug testing. "We just hope the union will look at it as we do," Kendrick said. "We've got to do the very best that is possible to rid ourselves of any and all drugs in our game." Former Kansas City teammate Jeremy Affeldt said he talked to Grimsley earlier Wednesday. "He's down. It's an embarrassing thing when you get caught. It was a judgment call on his part. I think he knows it was wrong. I don't think he would deny that," Affeldt said. Grimsley previously made headlines in 1999 when he confessed to his role in the Albert Belle corked bat caper. Grimsley, who had been Belle's teammate with Cleveland, admitted he worked his way through a crawl space at Comiskey Park in 1994 and dropped through the ceiling in the umpires' room to replace the illegal bat. "I went sky diving once, and I can compare it to that," Grimsley said at the time. "The adrenaline rush I got from that caper was just like jumping out of an airplane. It was being in a place you're not supposed to be."
not trying to bump my own thread but the other thought that crosses my mind is that if this is true, the feds' case for perjury against bonds isn't that strong and they really don't have that much on him.
Not at all. The cheater is one of the most famous players in baseball. He also is chasing maybe the most highly considered record. Baseball should be doing all they can do prove beyond all possible defense by Bond's highly paid OJ-esque legal team Bond's obvious guilt.
because he is chasing a record, they should be using tax dollars to catch this dude. that's the type of failing in logic I'm talking about. we're talking about the fbi, they have more important things to worry about. bonds regardless of what you think of him is not a distributor of steroids or hgh. you don't use drug users to try to catch other drug users, you go after the dealers. the federal gov't has a hard on for this guy and you justify because he's about to brake a baseball record. I'm gonna use your smilie
Where is AndyMoon with a nice rant about criminalizing drug users As stated going after bonds is ridiculous not because he is a big time dealer. . . because he a user this is like passing Tony Montana to get one of his fiends [I still say Barry is Clean . . . . i have seen no EVIDENCE only the hearsay of people who really don't like the man but As shown time and again . .it you get enough people to lie and do it enough . . .people accept it as truth because 'where their is smoke there is fire' cliche mentality'] This guy will eventually say anything they want him to say to get off the hook Rocket River
This is a waste of tax dollars. There is already a preponderance of evidence against Bonds and anyone with common sense knows he's guilty. Why do we have to waste anymore time on this.
Don't you think evaluation of the usage of tax funds is somewhat a matter of opinion? The government uses tax dollars on lots of stupid things like welfare, investigating Clinton's sex life, etc. The "they have more important things to worry about" argument is a bit simplified, and wrong IMO. Cops have more important thing to worry about, so why give tickets for running stop signs? Bonds is a high profile user of drugs. This seperates him from an average user, obviously. Baseball is important in America.
pgabriel, you and everyone else need to take a cold shower. How do we know what the Feds asked for? This attorney will say anything to spin things in favor of his client and against the Feds. You cannot accept what he says as fact any more than you can accept a criminal indictment as proof someone is guilty. Chill chill chill. Defense attorneys, in the interests of their clients, will lie, smear and say anything. Calm down before jumping to conclusions. I wouldn't rule out what he says, but don't eat it hook line and sinker.
just like you need to take a cold shower when you claim that you know bonds used steroids. edit: why would the defense attorney throw out that claim?
Whatever. The only thing I know about Barry Bonds is he became another baseball player after turning 35 years old. I also know that he's involved in a major steroid investigation that has landed some suppliers in jail. He's also admitted taking some substances that were identical in form to known steroids while claiming he thought they were flaxseed oil. I never said I "knew" he used steroids. I don't know any more than anyone else. High profile defense attorneys, especially right after they take over a high profile case, often throw out some kind of grand statement that takes the spotlight off their client and puts it on to the law-enforcement division that is investigating them. It's very common. Whether it's true or false, making the statement has no downside because it accomplishes their goal and by the time it's proven to be false, people don't care any more. The guy is just doing his job to the fullest extent he can, which is what good defense attorneys do. I suggest you don't get inflamed by one interview or statement a defense attorney says to the press outside a court of law. For the record, I don't necessarily agree with the amount of resources being put into the steroid investigation. Give me a couple more years to settle on that. I admit to almost relishing the pain both the baseball owners and the players union are suffering. I can't stand either one of them. I love the Stros and 2-3 other teams, but it seems MLB is bent on destroying itself. I don't need a cold shower about Bonds because I'm almost ambivalent about the issue.
but why would he say that to take pressure off his client. judging public sentiment right now about bonds that wouldn't draw sympathy from your client. you get sympathy because they wanted you to rat a guy who drew cheers for an opposing pitcher throwing at his head? that makes no sense.
It makes sense because people like you got mad and are now talking about the government instead of Grimsley. (my paraphrase) "My client WAS cooperating but he stopped because the Feds asked him to go too far". If you ask me, the probable real truth is the guy stopped cooperating simply because the attorney told him to stop talking immediately upon being hired. Again, this is what defense attorneys do. On the side, some people that strongly dislike Bonds may take pause and think the government is overreaching. Just realize anything that comes out of this guy's mouth is a calculated PR move meant to favor his client, whether it's true or not. This is what good attorneys do.
Like MadMax has said several times, I don't understand why baseball is the only sport under scrutiny. I'm sure that performance enhancing drugs are widespread though all the major sports and throughout college. That said, I don't understand either why the government is the one making such a big deal out of it or why their focus is so much on baseball and specifically Bonds.
Because baseball is the sport that resisted testing for so long, and is the sport that came to the forefront in the BALCO scandals. While maybe not ideal, the NFL (and I believe the NBA) have been steroid testing for years.
