d'oh! knew it seemed too easy To be clear then, are you saying that for a belief to be illogical, there must be absolute proof that it is wrong? First, this is different from your initial "it's logical if it illustrates an impt principle" argument. Second, this is a really weak threshold for qualifying beliefs as logical, and when most people use the word logical in everyday conversation, I doubt they mean it in the way you are using it. By this standard believing in the flying spaghetti god would be logical. Believing that invisible pink elephants exist is logical. If you really believe this then there isn't much to debate, but I think most people would disagree with your definition. Furthermore, I highly doubt this is what arno_ed meant when he used the word "logic". The virgin birth and resurrection? Maybe Christians can chime in. Would most churches consider these people to be Christian? (Either way this is very interesting, would love to talk to one of these ppl you describe.)
"Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not by way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord." "And, lo, suddenly there came forth from the cave many dragons; and when the children saw them, they cried out in great terror. Then Jesus went down from the bosom of His mother, and stood on His feet before the dragons; and they adored Jesus, and thereafter retired." Dragons! :grin: "In Thomas' version of events, later that same day as Jesus was casually strolling around town, running divine errands, another boy accidentally bumped into him on the street. So what would Jesus do? He'd probably use his divine presence to heal the boy of being friggin' clumsy, right? Let's see: Jesus was provoked and said unto him, "Thou shalt not finish thy course." And immediately he fell down and died. Infancy Gospel of Thomas 4:1" How many times has the Bible been rewritten to not look completely ridiculous? "Religion of one age is the literary entertainment of the next" Ralph Waldo Emerson
So, therefore, folks born in a foreign land without Christianity, have no choice but to go to hell... :grin:
To answer your question, zero times. The Gospel of Thomas was written much later than the Gospels that are actually in the Bible. The early church had a general consensus on which books they believed were inspired and which were not, and the Gospel of Thomas was not one of them. There are a lot of fake Gospels that came around in the second century and later, and the Gospel of Thomas is one of them. That is why the church met and had criteria for selecting which letters would be considered Canon. Although the letters they chose, which are the letters in the Bible today, were already being passed around as Scripture.
Hahaha! :grin: This is the kind of thing that makes me laugh till I remember there might be a select few who believe it lol
So..... then you move judicial powers to churches in order to continue the debate? lol Every single denomination has a church of some other denomination saying they are not Christians. So when you ask which church considers them Christians, which church are you talking about exactly?
That was the best I could come up with lol. Protestants and Catholics I guess. Or a breakdown of all the denominations that agree/disagree and go with the majority.
MadMax's Free Tip of the Day: when you're criticizing the contents of a book...you'll want to quote from stuff that's ACTUALLY in that book as opposed to stuff that is NOT ACTUALLY in that book. MadMax's Second Free Tip of the Day: picking out one verse from an entire narrative to suggest the meaning of its entirety without any other context is dangerous when it's done by religious fundamentalists and dishonest when done by people seeking to discredit the book. MadMax's Third Free Tip of the Day: eat James Coney Island on Sundays. Seriously, $.99 coney dogs? Are you kidding? Fantastic! MadMax's Fourth Free Tip of the Day: avoid all threads on religion. seriously. they go nowhere. i need work on this particular tip.
Didn't watch the video because I'm at work but from what I have read from the comments the belief about Blacks being either Satan's seed or a curse from God is true. It was the prevailing thought around the time several religions like Mormonism (Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.) were established in the 1800s. I have had to do quite a bit of background on Mormonism because my eldest son became part of the organization about two years ago, mostly influenced by his high school sweetheart whose entire family is Mormon. He is currently serving his mission in the Midwest.
<a href="http://img638.imageshack.us/i/img03291.jpg/" target="_blank" title="ImageShack - Image And Video Hosting"><img border="0" height="640" src="http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/4614/img03291.jpg" width="451" /></a> mormon jesus = P.I.M.P.
Because the Council at Nicea didn't want to show you that. Remember, much of the early Church was comprised with Jews who still wished to live under the dietary laws. Those dogs ain't kosher. Also, Jesus didn't eat there after he found out they serve beans in their chili upon request. It's not talked about much, but it was that very day that he walked into the temple, all pissed off, and started turning over tables. I'm from a bit more liberal church, so we think it's cool to eat JCI...no biggie. But there are some who refuse to eat it because of Jesus' feelings about the beans.
little known fact: theologians have concluded that jesus did not feed 5,000 with bread and fish, but with cheese coneys.
