Disgusting... but good for Trippi for not backing down. If you saw it, it was even more distasteful. _____________ Tonight: PAULA ZAHN: Final question for you, sir. Your candidate, governor dean, has made several references to -- about president bush having alleged advance knowledge of the 9/11 attacks from the saudis. Should someone who wants to be president be trading on rumors? JOE TRIPPI: That's not what the governor said at all. In fact, you're trading on rumors when you keep saying that. PAULA ZAHN: I haven't said it yet. I'm just repeating -- JOE TRIPPI: Yeah, you're repeating the rumor. Yeah, what happened was the governor said that when the president and the administration mislead people and the war, the American people start asking questions, there's these rumors out there, and we need to talk about them to shut them down because he didn't believe it. And he said that on the air in the interview. PAULA ZAHN: But there was another interview on npr that has gotten a lot of attention. He basically said, you know, whether this can be proven or not, he suggested that the president had had advance knowledge of what might have fallen on 9/11. JOE TRIPPI: No. The governor said he didn't believe that, and it was part of the problem. We have this right now with black box voting. You'll find across the country that there are people all over this nation who believe these paperless computer voting machines are a way that the bush administration will steal the election. Okay, what's not important here is whether that's a rumor or not. What's important here is that we shut that down, that we prove to people that there's no way that anybody -- that these paperless machines are going to rob people of their vote. Repeating that is not repeating that you believe it. I don't necessarily believe that those machines do that or not. But if we're going to have a democracy, we have to say so and air it out. PAULA ZAHN: Let me just repeat exactly what came off the transcript of the npr radio show, and this is governor dean's remark, "the most interesting theory that i have heard so far, he responded, "is that he was warned ahead of time by the saudis." JOE TRIPPI: And then can you keep reading, please? PAULA ZAHN: Well, could go on for the next five minutes from the interview. And you're saying he didn't say that, I got it right here. JOE TRIPPI: No, no, no, I said if you keep reading, he'll say he didn't believe that. PAULA ZAHN: There is a point at which, but you were denying what he suggested. JOE TRIPPI: You're forgetting that part, paula. PAULA ZAHN: I'm not forgetting it. I just wanted to clarify that he had, in fact, repeated something and he did say later on... JOE TRIPPI: Keep reading the interview, and we'll get to the part where he says he did not believe it. PAULA ZAHN: No, I am not denying that, but i wanted to challenge your point... JOE TRIPPI: That's not how you started the interview. PAULA ZAHN: I think our audience has a pretty good sense now of what was said and what wasn't said. Joe trippi, thank you for your time
The fact that Dean even brought up the rumor is disgusting and shows the depths that he is willing to sink to. This is psychology, people. Dean brings this rumor up, and that's what people remember. They don't remember his line that he doesn't believe the rumor, they remember the rumor. Then the story gets retold and retold, and over time the rumor becomes "fact". That's how Dean wants it. He's an angry, angry man who is willing to say anything to besmirch the name of our President.
Ah yes, the myth that he's an angry man, another rumor that has been told so many times, it's just accepted as fact.
Agreed, texxx, I think its high time we hold Dean accountable for these wanton attacks on him, as well as those sexy teenage temptors for corrupting Michael Jackson. They knew what they were doing.
If Dean's inference is so stupid and so obviously transparent, why would conservatives give two craps about it? If Bush has nothing to hide, you'd think they'd welcome the opportunity to point out to Dean that he's full of crap. You'd think that conservatives would be gloating over Dean's obvious ignorance. Instead, they blast him for even bringing the issue up. There are reams of data that prove Bush had prior knowledge that Osama bin Laden was planning to use jetliners as missiles. This isn't new information. Dean could have addressed the issue more directly, but this isn't something he just pulled out of the air. I'm not defending Dean -- he shouldn't be "trading" on what other people say -- either make a statement or don't. But blasting his statement, instead of what he said, is just dishonest.
It's not a myth, it is reality. And it's not just Dean. John F---ing Kerry in his Rolling Stone interview sounded like another Bush-hating whiner. So does Gephardt, that pacifist, Neville-Chamberlain-in-waiting moron Kucinich and did I leave anyone out? I guess they are trying to tap into that seething cauldron of Bush hatred that exists on the left, which I find amazing, because he has done more to further the cause of liberalism since that liberal icon LBJ did.
That's funny, from my perspective the Bush hating extends to independants as much as it does to liberals. Every independant I know is just as up in arms about Bush's policies as some of the liberals on this board. Personally, I don't hate Bush, just his policies.
Exactly. Of course, conservatives and Republicans were so fair to Clinton during his eight years that they demand better for their president.
Speaking of Myths can we stop the one that anyone who was not in favor of war with Iraq was like Neville Chamberlain dealing with Hitler. The two situations have zero to a miniscule thread in common. I illustrate. Saddam wasn't, currently, invading other countries. Saddam wasn't systematically committing genocide(He had been murdering and torturing enemies, which is different than genocide). Saddam didn't have the capacity to take over the entire region even if he'd wanted to. All of these things are very different than Hitler prior to WWII. When Saddam did invade another country more than a year ago, he wasn't allowed to keep it. Hitler wasn't being forced to allow weapons inspectors running freely about Germany, with a people ready to pounce should anything happen to those inspectors. Hitler wasn't hemmed in so tight with satellites and an international community watching every move he made. Hitler didn't have a No-Fly Zone enforced around both the top and bottom of Germany which wouldn't have allowed any kind of real expansion or the devastating Nazi air raids. In short the only thing in common between Saddam and Hitler is that they were both oppressive and authoritarian. Unlike Chamberlain those that opposed this war weren't into appeasement in the slightest. None of the conditions listed above amount to appeasement.
Well I think if we see what Dean said we see why he brought it up, and it had nothing to do with trying to spread the rumor. He brought it up to point out that the Bush administration wasn't turning info over the congressional committee investigating who knew what and when they knew it about 9/11. That's a valid issue to bring up. Furthermore stating what can happen if that information isn't released makes a good point about trying to release it in the first place. Dispelling the rumor and giving Congress the info they are asking for is exactly what Dean was talking about, and it's exactly what Dean said. I know it's more fun for some people to put their OWN meaning to what Dean was doing, but listening to or reading the entire interview debunks their theory rather quickly.
The fact that Dean even brought up the rumor is disgusting and shows the depths that he is willing to sink to. This is psychology, people. Dean brings this rumor up, and that's what people remember. Kind of like Bush "implying" the Saddam had WMD? Or that a nuke was 6 months away? That we had clear intelligence on the matter? All made up junk with no factual basis, as we have learned since ... but it stuck at the time. The only difference is that Dean's comments are being used to try to gain support in an election; Bush did it to get support for war.
I'm not surprised Dean didn't stand behind his assertion about 9/11. The truth has killed much better men than Howard Dean. If William Jefferson Clinton had been President during 9/11/01---hypothetically, now; because if Clinton had had advanced warning of 9/11, does he have sufficient personal business ties to the Saudis to have looked the other way?---then he would have been crucified and dragged out of office. Absolutely crucified. I guess if you lie about cheating on your wife it means you must be a liar about everything else, whereas Bush gets a free pass on everything: destroying the environment, overhyping the economic recovery, WMD, corporate malfeasance...
You know I'm glad this was brought up. Fox News is the first conservative T.V. network I've seen and it has been hammered for being so. But no one ever complains about CNN which is equally as extreme to the left as Fox is to the right. Someone all ready mentioned Paula Zahn. Aaron Brown also fits this description. But the guy who disgusts me the most for trying to create and liberally manipulate the news more than any of them is Wolf Blitzer. Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly are definitely right wing extremists, but I view Wolf Blitzer in the same manner from the left side. I really can't stand either network. Probably the most balanced news network ideology-wise is MSNBC. They feature anchors from both the left and the right. I just wished they weren't always extreme left and extreme right. I'm of the opinion that if you want unbiased news you can trust, you can't get it from any of the major news networks. Your best bet is to know enough on your own to be able to analyze issues without the aid of the news netwroks. Probably the most unbiased news source I've come across is "The Stratfor Weekly", an organization that publishes a weekly news letter about current political, economic, and social events around the world that they sell to businesses around the world to keep them informed of what REALLY is going on, why, and what the repercussions will most likely be. These guys have must have access to some kind of intelligence because there rate of correctly predicting the course of world events is psychicly high.
