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Establishment overrun Mississippi

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Jun 24, 2014.

  1. Commodore

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    the headline
     
  2. Major

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    It may be exaggerated, but not necessarily indefensible. McDaniel said he didn't want those people voting. The Tea Party sent out "election observers" to monitor black precincts. A MS election law expert said:

    Matthew Steffey, an election law expert at the Mississippi College School of Law, told The Times that some people “think this is not really about legal challenges to individual ballots, but about dissuading or in some cases intimidating voters from coming to the polls to begin with.

    https://tv.yahoo.com/news/conservat...r-integrity-mississippis-black-181406727.html

    Then after the election, McDaniel claimed it was stolen and was considering a legal challenge - indicating again that he didn't want those people voting. McDaniel's campaign dog-whistled racism all through the primary season - it's not a leap to conclude that when he sends out people to "observe" only specific people while saying they shouldn't be voting, he means to try to discourage them from voting.
     
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    He is a "populist" who is still waiting for trickle down. Lol
     
  4. Commodore

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    Those people being Democrats.
     
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    Just so I get it straight, a candidate appealed to a majority of voters and won. Seems reasonable to me.

    Also, it looks like the GOP is heading for a major breakdown. Just the people we want to elect this fall.
     
  6. Major

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    Conveniently, they only sent monitors to black democratic districts, of course.
     
  7. Commodore

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    those are the only democrats in MS

    To give an analogy, this would be like having Utah Jazz fans select the Rockets' starting line up.
     
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    Only if the Rockets' starting lineup was going to be the Jazz's starting lineup in 5 months.
     
  9. Major

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    Which makes the headline more accurate, then.


    Except, of course, that the Rockets are a privately run organization, while the Senate seat belongs to the voters of Mississippi - and the rule gives all of them, including the black ones, the right to vote to decide who gets to run in the general election. Seems like another example where you're hardcore about the rule of law until the law doesn't work in your favor.
     
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    We've seen poll watchers before. We've seen them in MS before. We know exactly what was meant by that. You can put that together with the candidates history and there is no point in trying to pretend something different.
     
  11. Commodore

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    no it doesn't, since they aren't trying to stop black republicans from voting

    but the GOP nominee should belong to the members of the MS GOP

    Deciding who gets to run is a different choice than deciding who you want to represent you.

    This was an exploitation of the rules, given that the GOP nominee is not the preference of GOP voters. I'm arguing the rules should be changed.
     
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    Exploiting the rules to gain political power? You are hilarious, that is a Republican trick. People are forgetting that Cochran himself was pushing this strategy before the election. You want to talk about exploiting the rules? This entire nation has been gerrymandered into a mess and it is Republican engineered and Republican favored. When a party loses the overall vote (all seat elections in all states) in the House by 1.4 million votes and still maintains a 34 seat majority, people are being disenfranchised and the system is rigged.
     
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    I never understood why grouping districts by like political persuasion was a bad thing.
     
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    Because you end up with the outcome that a party can lose by over a million votes and still retain control of the House.
     
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    Of course you don't have a problem with it but if the roles were reversed, I guarantee we would be hearing endless cries of "shameful" tyranny and revolution from the GOP. Outrage boners would be at full mast. Sure, let's have "exploit the rules" and undermine democracy and disenfranchise liberal voters but hey whatever keeps Republicans in power right?
     
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    outrage boners at full mast.

    me likey, well done. :grin:
     
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    He does.

    There are no "GOP voters" in Mississippi because there is no party registration. There are just voters. Should a conservative that voted for Obama be allowed to vote in the primary? What about a liberal that loved Reagan? What about libertarians? Or tea partiers that insist they are not Republicans?

    It wasn't an exploitation of the rules - crossover voters in open primaries are not a secret. The state chose and wanted an open primary - a state, notably, that is run by the GOP. McDaniel went out and got tea partiers - who insist they are not Republican - to vote for him. Cochran got liberals.
     
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    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-win-red-state-socialism-must-be-stopped.html

    Problem is, anyone who opposes this scheme gets labeled a racist.
     
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    Voting against a candidate is an equal expression of the will of the people.

    The political reality that the Republican nominee is the defacto elected representative of all the people makes any laws that limit that expression tyranny.

    Cochran is a standard conservative lifetime politician, but it's certainly understandable that the black democrats of MS didn't want to suffer representation by an avowed racist and total dick.
     

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