<i>Qyntell Woods is a better all-around player than Dunleavy who be exposed against the better 3's in the league. Dunleavy can hit the 3's consistently, however, how does he shoot on the move, which will happen after he starts hitting 3's. His game appears very slow and he no where near the Bird man, don't mention him in the same breath. Bird carried Indiana St. on his back, right hand, and left hand.</i> How do you figure Woods is a better all-around player? Have you ever even seen Woods play? The scouting reports say that he plays no defense. Now Doc Rocket says that the word is that he's not ready and has no jump shot. Dunleavy on the other hand is a great passer, great shooter, decent rebounder, was 1st team All-Defense in the ACC,he hit huge clutch shots in the National Championship game as a sophmore and he's got every intangible in the book. Dunleavy was a McDonald's All-American as a HS point guard. He's alot more than just a spot up 3 point shooter. If you're looking for the better all-around player, then it's a no-brainer, it's clearly Dunleavy.
You know, aelliot...you are starting to convince me that maybe I am wrong about Dunleavy Jr. I had no idea he was a McDonald's HS player at the point guard. That insinuates that he likely has some good passing skills, which I think the Rockets are in need of more than anything. Perhaps I wouldn't be quite so upset if the Rockets took Dunleavy at 6, 7 or 8. I guess it all depends on if anyone significant slips.
Raven Lunatic, Here's the scouting report on Dunleavy from nbadraft.net: <i>Strengths: Uncanny basketball smarts. Plays the game with great passion. One of the best shooters in college. Has a chance to be a special player on the NBA level because of his intelligence, desire, and abilities. Was a point guard in high school before growing from a 6-5 senior to his current 6-9 height. Still has superb ball handling and passing abilities. Growing up the son of an NBA player/coach gave him not only a great understanding of the game, but prepared him for the limelight. Kind of lulls you to sleep with his nonchalant demeanor but then rips your heart out when you least expect it, as witnessed in Duke's Championship win against Arizona. Excels in big situations. Weaknesses: Not a freak. He's not going to blow anyone off the dribble or overwhelm them with his athleticism, but can get off the floor well and has good body control. He's pretty slow by NBA standards. But so were some of the game's great ones Larry Bird and Chris Mullin and they had Hall of Fame careers. Must get stronger, continue to develop. Notes: "The second coming of Larry Bird" as one hoops junkie friend put it. Has that uncanny court sense of a coaches son. Amazing fundamentals and approach to the game. Crafty at getting his shot off. Excellent stroke. Very good athleticism. A wolf in sheep's clothing. </i> Personally I feel that Dunleavy brings alot of things that the Rockets are lacking. I'm ready to take a verstile guy with lots of skills and a great basketball IQ over a guy that has unreal physical tools, but will take time to develop.
I suppose that is enough said...if you are trying to prove that it is possible for a player to bust after having been a McDonald's All American.
aelliott, Dunleavy is at best an average defensive player. There were 3 or 4 better players that could have gotten that award. Half of the awards given by the ACC are hype alone.
<i>Brian Boddicker was a McDonald's AA center.....nuff said</i> Big men often make it on to All Star teams simply because they are big and have some talent. There's just not that many talented big men. Point guards, however, never make the team unless they have ability. It's the same way in the NBA All-Star game. You'll often see guys who aren't really stars, make the team as a center, just because they've got to put somebody on the team (see Antonio Davis, Dale Davis, Rik Smits, etc...).
I agree. But I also think that some people are not suited for the next level of competition. Boddicker, for instance, is perfect for high school, but not that good for college. Similarly Dunleavy is good for college, but doesn't have the physical skills for the NBA. Imagine Dunleavy guarding Vince Carter, Paul Pierce, or even Bruce Bowen. Other teams will post him up, and take him to the hoop every time.
The point is not that Dunleavy is also going to be an NBA all star point guard! Nobody wants him to be an NBA all star point guard. The point is, since you missed it, that if he was a McDonalds all american point guard then he posses a few more passing and ball handling skills than your avgerage small forward comming out of college. That is a huge plus.
I still think I'd rather have Odom. If that doesn't work, then Dunleavy, but at #5. Not even #4, for me, #5 is even stretching it. We don't want to have that slow wheel. If there's always going to be a Rice or Dunleavy on the floor, then the chances of us running are less. But like this: Cato Griffin Odom Mobley Francis Then we can run.
<i>Imagine Dunleavy guarding Vince Carter, Paul Pierce, or even Bruce Bowen. Other teams will post him up, and take him to the hoop every time.</i> I disagree. He isn't aweak of a defender at all. He doesn't have tremendous speed, but he plays good defense. I'd rather have a guy that knows how to play defense and gives it the effort, over a guy with tremendous physical skills that doesn't know how to play defense (or doesn't want to). If playing defense was just about athleticism and speed, then Steve Francis would be first team all-defense every year. I've got to believe that Dunleavy would do a better job of defending those guys than Walt or Rice. I think you're confusing one-on one defense with team defense. Those are two different things.
<i>We don't want to have that slow wheel. If there's always going to be a Rice or Dunleavy on the floor, then the chances of us running are less. But like this: </i> Yeah, that "slow wheel" Larry Bird really bogged down the Celtics fast break game. The running game has more to do with desire and effort than it does with speed.
My grandmother could do a better job defending those guys than Walt or Rice. Since when was Dunleavy the next Bird, anyways? I'm not buying it.
Common aelliott, do you seriously thyink the guys is worth a top 4 pick? Do you think if we had #2 or #3, we'd rather keep him than get Odom? or Lewis even? You CAN'T be serious.
Well, first of all, we probably won't have a top 4 pick. But, if we were #4, then yes he's a good pick. Apparently alot of the NBA general managers seem to agree with me, because there's a real good chance of him going top 4. You also realize that Dunleavy would come at less than 50% of the cost of Odom or Lewis. Lewis wants the max, but he probably won't get it. He will however probably end up getting at least $6M/year. I'd rather have Dunleavy at $2M and change.
I can't agree with that, and I'm positive I can't be convinced. You have the #4, you want to get someone who has all the tools, but can't do everything YET. Dunleavy will always be a step slow, or a bit too weak. There will always be that "Yeah, BUT....".. For us, there's no point picking high in the draft. We can't wait for a superstar, and would be stupid to waste a draft pick on someone like Dunleavy, who will VERY likely need 2 years to get used to the NBA game and improve his body.
So I guess your saying that Odom or Lewis are superstars? Neither one of these guys is going to lead us to the promise land. Lets pick a winner and not overpay another castoff loser.
Defense is not just about speed but it is about quickness, footwork, understanding angles and pure desire. Dunleavy has all of those. Give me someone that may be a step slower but makes crisp passes and good decisions that can run a controlled brake over someone that just flies down the court 90 miles an hour with no real idea of what he is going to do with the ball or who to pass it to any day. I would take Dunleavy with any pick in the draft that if we keep it for a rookie instead of trading it for a veteran. I absolutely prefer Dunleavy over Rashard. Not even close in my book. Rashard is not good at driving around defenders and is not a great defender by any stretch of the imagination. Rashard also lacks the passing and ball handling skills that Dunleavy has. Dunleavy is the projected number 1 pick for next year if he pulls out of the draft this year. Dunleavy is the real deal. Since everyone has a problem comparing Dunleavy to Bird try this comparison: Dunleavy is like Lamar Odom with a better shot and better defense comming out of college.
But doesn't have the same athleticism, nor does he have the experience. okierock, I hate Lewis. I really do. But this year, he'll do more for us than Dunleavy will. So will Odom. Odom can do anything Dunleavy can do, and vice evrsa. But Odom can do it now. He has experience in the league. No matter how good he is, he will still be a rookie. How could you say Dunleavy will lead us to the promise land, when he still has to learn the game as a rookie. If we got the #3, and we could pick Dunleavy, or pick Wagner/Williams and send him to Clipper for Odom, I'd do the latter. No more waiting for developing. Odom can do anything Dunleavy can.
