Nothing personal, fellas, but this sounds a lot like the 'Tyson Chandler is going to be the biggest bust, he sucks, he may fall to the 2nd round, BLAH BLAH BLAH' posturing that was going around this time last year. Then all of a sudden, he goes #2. Did 'Cleo' forecast Chandler and his future the day before the draft, 'Me sees many tings in TyeSon's future, MAHN!' The only thing I get from that article is that Woods is the Grizzlies' #1 prospect, and they may be trying to 'talk him down.'
Please don't tell me that we should take this guy. Either Butler or Woods would be better fits for this team. This guy will be a noodle when it comes to rebounding too. That is definitely not what we need.
Looks like <a href="http://www.nbadraft.net">NBAdraft</a> is figuring on Dunleavy going to Chicago at #2. Rats, I hope not... They are figuring us taking Woods at #5, Marcus at #15, Prince at #38. Ming Dunleavy Williams Wagner Woods Gooden Wilcox Borchardt Tskitshvili Butler Hilario Jeffries Rush Stoudamire Marcus Nachbar Ely Haslip Clancy Williams
The more I think about it, the more I like Caron Butler. He brings exactly what this team needs out of the 3, good rebounding, toughness, defense, and outside shooting. That being said, the Rockets could trade down a few spots and still draft him. If Dejuan Wagner were to fall us at number 5, I think that the Clips would definitly consider trading the number 8 and 12 picks for him. Then at 8, we draft Caron Butler and at 12 draft a big man like Marcus or Stoudemire, or trade down and draft a guy like Dan Gadzuric around the mid 20s, and pick up at least one future first round pick. Then we send Memphis the 15 to fulfill the Francis obligation. We would end up with Butler, a solid back up 5, as well as our first round pick next year. Sounds pretty good to me, I just think that Butler is a better fit than Dunleavy for this team.
At 6-6 Butler will be a good shooting guard -- not a SF. He could back up Mobley, but we still would need a center and SF. Woods and Dunleavy IMO are much better choices for our first pick. I don't think either Stoudemire or even Marcus will be around at #15 unless the Europeans / South Americans make a really, really big splash.
In the past we have said they do not put picks based on team needs but is that still the case this late in the process. Also they in the pass month seem to have the hands on the pulse and being fairly spot on. Are they in this case? Could this be the reason why Dun put is name in?
<i>Dunleavy is at best an average college defender</i> Desert Scar, How can you say that when Dunleavy was on the ACC All-Defensive 1st team this year? Average defensive players don't make the ACC All-Defensive team. If you want to say that Dunleavy doesn't have great foot speed, then fine, but he's very fundementally sound and that includes defense. Based off every scouting report that I've seen, Woods is the one that doesn't have a clue on defense. Yet a whole lot of people seem to want us to draft him.
I agree with Aelliott Dunleavy is a pretty safe bet because he is fundamentally sound in all aspects of his game. Plus he's a shooter that likes to take big shots and has a strong desire to win. Woods on the other hand is a big question mark that may become Tracy McGrady . Lets let somebody else draft on potential this year, the Rockets need solid character guys to lead some of these fat pot heads. If there is going to be a leader come out of this draft its Dunleavy. Dunleavy is smart and he just might raise the basketball IQ of the Rockets above the handicap level.
Because there are now so many good SF's in the draft, probably the rockets should take Curtis B or Nicko with #5, to statisfy getting taller/bigger, and still be confident that #15 could get Nene, Jefferies, Nachbar or Stoudamire. Going for a SF upfront, we may not be able to get a good big man at #15.
DearRock, Never ever pass up the better player for need, esp if you need both positions like we do. Only time that works is if you feel that one piece will put you over the top championship wise. Borchardt at 5???????? Someone come and knock me unconscious draft night if we dare do that. Before I start lacing expletives all over my house. Picks I like at 5: Woods, Dunleavy, Ming(goes earlier but duh) and Wilcox-he seems like a ben wallace type player which we need most.
I totally agree with that. It is just that having a second pick can allow you to do somethings that you would not if you only had one pick. It boils down to what Curtis is. I have not seen him play. I am just drawn to the fact that he is a seven footer who has low post moves, blocks shots rebounds and have 3pt range. If that info is bogus then fine. If not, that is not a bad addition to the team, especially if #15 can give you Jefferies or Nachbar.
I am a bit skeptical about Dunleavy. But if kidrock8's comparison is correct that Dunleavy=Hedo, and we can get Hedo's performance of last night from our SF on a consistent basis, count me in!
From what I understand Doc and OP are saying, on our first pick, it seems like the Rockets would in this order: Take Ming or Dunleavy, if they are there Trade Wagner to LAC for Odom, if he's there If not, then trade down for Butler and something of value [/list=1] I'd love to hear more detail from Doc or OP or anyone else who knows anything from the inside, especially more on our #15 pick and #38 ... I know its still early, and they have a lot of workouts to go through before they determine what they want to do... so lots of things could change between now and the draft...
aelliot, college awards can be meaningless. Although all-defensive does mean something. But, one draft we brought in the acc and sec players of the year. Too be honest, they both suck.
Qyntell Woods is a better all-around player than Dunleavy who be exposed against the better 3's in the league. Dunleavy can hit the 3's consistently, however, how does he shoot on the move, which will happen after he starts hitting 3's. His game appears very slow and he no where near the Bird man, don't mention him in the same breath. Bird carried Indiana St. on his back, right hand, and left hand.
<i>aelliot, college awards can be meaningless. Although all-defensive does mean something. But, one draft we brought in the acc and sec players of the year. Too be honest, they both suck.</i> gr8-1, I understand the point that you are trying to make, but you're missing the context of my reply. The statement that I was responding to said "Dunleavy is at best an average <b>college</b> defender". Being named 1st team all-defense in the ACC is not meaningless in determining Dunleavy's defensive skills at the college level. Players that are average college defenders don't make the ACC All-Defensive team. Also, while I agree that being named College player of the year in a conference doesn't guarentee that a player will be successful at the next level, I do think that being named to 1st team all defensive team in a major conference does indicate that the player will not be a defensive liabilty at the next level.
