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Draft Day Question

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by xiki, Mar 23, 2006.

  1. Furious Jam

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    Roy is getting a lot of luv right now - he may be out of our range. Redick will probably be the best SG on the board when we pick, which is great, because he'll also be the best shooter in the draft, and shooting is what the Roxs need most. If Redick turns out to be the next Hornacek, I'd be happy - that's exactly the kind of 3rd scorer the Rockets need.
     
  2. xcomputerman

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    I don't think there's any one player in the draft that could fit on the Rockets roster as well as JJ Redick, and there are few teams in the league that are better suited for a player like him. His lethal shooting ability and incredibly quick release are perfect for situations when Yao and/or T-Mac get doubled. One of his best qualities as a shooter is that he doesn't need a lot of open space to be effective -- just give him a little space, and that ball is gone.

    His defense and footspeed may be suspect, but that's bound to improve with time (see Luther Head). He would be a great 3 point specialist off the bench for us -- I hope we get him.
     
  3. anitasri

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    Granted Redick is a lights out shooter ( atleast to this point)- He will not be getting that many shots if he is on the Rockets squad. IF David Wesley is being abused guarding the taller guards- Redick will not stand a chance with Guiards who have the Size and quickness advantage.

    I really dont see Van Gundy going for Redick.

    IF shooters- especially 3 Point shooters are what we need, then there are definitely others ( Even if you rule out The Spaniard) Rudy Fernandez. You have Mike Gansey, Taquan Dean, James White, Quincey Douby, Denham Brown. I really wish we can get a second round pick for someone- 2 of these 5 guys is not such a bad deal- especailly they will see us through next 2-3 years ( when the salary of Jho come off the record)- MU pick would be Gansey and Dean.

    I would not waste a First Round pick on Redick!
     
  4. Furious Jam

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    First of all, Wesley gets abused because he's 6'1 and 35 years old. Redick is 6'4 and 22. Also Redick plays against a high level of competition every night and almost never comes out - he's tough. He may not be particularly strong or fast, but he's not slow or weak either.

    If you watch a lot of Rocket games, you'll see that JVG's defense is team defense, and Redick is a great team player who has the kind of coaching and experience that would appeal to JVG. I believe that Redick would play well enough in JVG's defensive scheme that JVG would find his defense acceptable.
     
  5. hashmander

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    Wes at 6-1 and 35 is still twice the defender that JJ is. Wes is also MUCH stronger. I want us to get away from these easy targets on defense. JJ will give away more points than he scores.
     
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    Agreed. If we're sitting at #5, I'd take Carney.
     
  7. ktvoss

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    We won't end up at 5, it's too far off. We would need to lose all of our games.

    We will probably end up with 10-11. Which sucks cause I dont believe Roy or Carney will be there.
     
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    Here is my realistic draft night...

    #12 pick: Ronnie Brewer
    #31 pick: Mike Gansey

    Brewer is long and athletic, and also possesses the ability to initiate the offense when needed. He's a better scorer with the ball in his hands, which I think is a GREAT thing since we would likely be looking for him to be a 6th man or "spark off the bench" type of player. I'm mostly intrigued by his height and length at the 2 guard spot, which we have obviously lacked, and also by his 19/5/3 statline as a junior...not to mention nearly 3 steals per game. I see him as a Josh Howard type guy. I'd actually like to see him get minutes backing up the SF position.

    Gansey, I believe, will translate just as well, if not better, to the NBA game than will J.J. Redick. Gansey strikes me as a less athletic Bob Sura (don't forget, Sura was quite athletic out of college) but with better passing and shooting abilities (55% overall, 43% from 3). He has all the intangible type things that Sura brought us last year, which we so desperately lacked this season. Gansey is also a solid defender, which is something Sura lacks/lacked.

    I would love to pick up James Posey with the MLE. He's making about that much in Miami and has a player option for next year, but his numbers have been going down across the board and he may want to get MLE money before having another declining year...

    Those 3 acquisitions would leave us looking something like this...

    PG: Alston/Head/VSpan
    SG: Posey/Bogans/Gansey
    SF: McGrady/Brewer/Bowen
    PF: Howard/Swift/Hayes
    C: Yao/Mutombo/Lampe

    *add Sura, pending his status

    Any thoughts?
     
  9. ktvoss

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    Brewer is the next Reece Gaines, when he plays, he plays with no confidence.
     
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    Damn. Maybe I just haven't seen as much of him as you have, but that's one hell of a claim lol. Who would you (realistically) take at #12 instead?

    How do you feel about Gansey if he's there at 31?
     
  11. ktvoss

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    See my sig.

    I would consider Gansey, but I believe Vasilis will come over.

    edit: Gansey is wrecking on CBS right now.
     
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    Yeah, I saw the sig, but I don't think that Roy, Carney, or Redick will be there if we're at #12 or #13. I also meant in terms of a backcourt player, which would exclude Williams.

    I guess what I'm really asking is "Which player would you suggest we pick that offers us the same things (and then some) as Brewer?". I really want a long athletic SG who can also fill some minutes behind McGrady at the 3. I don't follow college basketball THAT much, so I'm going on what I've personally seen.
     
  13. ktvoss

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    Man I don't really know, this draft is weak and after 10, it's a bunch of scrubs.
     
  14. Possum

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    SPLITTER!
     
  15. Jacquescas

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    I still think we will end up somewhere in the 5-10 range closer to 10 than 5. I can name 10 names i'd like to see in rocket red. Gay, Morrison, Aldridge, Baragini,Roy, Carney, Williams, McRoberts, Noah, Splitter.


    All those players are not only better pro prospects than Reddick but also better fits with our team.
     
  16. ktvoss

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    We would have to lose all our games from now on, we won't end up getting a pick higher than 8. The teams ahead of us have too many losses and too little wins.
     
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    I hope the Rockets draft results over potential this year! With Mcgrady and Yao in place, we need quality effort players who will hustle, sacrifice and know their roles in getting the win. (Morrison, S. Williams, Redick, Noah, Marcus Williams are examples of players who fit this description).

    We do not need these potential filled guys with great measurables who drift in and out of every game. (Aldridge, Thomas, Gay, Carney fall under this category).

    Does that mean I'd take Morrison over Aldridge/Gay if we had the 1st pick overall, of course not. We can always trade back, gaining additional players/future picks from a different team with a different set of values. There's no reason for someone like Toronto to take a safe player over an upside player, so we make a trade and add to the team.
     
  18. jeremyang2002

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    I dont see JJ Redick can handle the job on both ends.

    Shooting is all he has. He cant rebound,assist,defend,he cant create his own shots.

    He could be a great option coming off the bench though. But not NBA starting SG caliber.

    Hope we can get Roy.
     
  19. ShadyMcGrady

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    I don't know guys, I respect JJ Redick and all, and he's a fine player who had a great college career, but I don't think he'll have an outstanding NBA career until there is major improvements in a plethora of areas in his game.

    I don't know what would be the equivalent of a great college defender in the NBA, but great college defenders really lock him up good. I don't think we should draft a pure shooter as our first round draft pick because we all know pure shooters are inconsistent with their game as a player's shot comes and goes.

    Obviously he's going to improve, but I don't think it's worth it with Redick, maybe I am wrong.

    While we are in sore need of a SG, don't forget we're going to need defense almost as much as the guy's shot.

    Just my two cents.
     
  20. xcomputerman

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    See, the problem is that we're probably not going to get a draft pick high enough to select a starter-quality shooting guard. So you want to get the most effective role player you can, and JJ fits the need. Obviously if he comes here he isn't going to be starting (certainly not over Luther Head). But he'll be an nice offensive weapon off the bench that JVG can wield whenever he needs a couple of three pointers.
     

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