Barely. Not enough to mention. He will be a better pro than Pats though. I really think he will be Dwight-like or close to it.
It sounds like he is at least a half inch taller than Pat since he measured 6'10" in shoes at the Stoudemire academy. Pat is 6'9.25" in shoes.
Haha, but seriously, Robinson is a skilled up high motor athletic big man with the stats to back it up. I see him as a good bet to be a VERY good NBA player.
Haha. .. ...I HiGHlY anticipated that fried snicker, & was severely disappointed. Nonetheless, they will be the same type of player a solid sf, coming from a big time program, with big game experience. I don't refute your argument for Barnes being a natural at the position. However, looking at what you will get out of him in regards to what you will get from Morris doesn't seem significantly different in production. We drafted Morris mid 1st last year & Barnes in most mocks is going top five. What we will get from Morris in regards to draft position is what we would get from Barnes who will require more salary. My biggest stigma with Barnes is he fads at the most pressure filled times. UNCs last two games are the proof. This year he seemed timid. Reminds me of World Peace rather than the Glen Rice comparisons. Quite frankly we don't need to gamble with a player who's ceiling isn't that high for the price we would pay to move up to get him.
Oh, I wouldn't move up to get Barnes... but he could fall, and he might be worth a mid first if he does.
I totally agree, he could use further development on that jumper. Maybe I'm just enamored with his potential to be KG like, when he easily could be the next Anthony Randolph. What do you think of his counter part Quincy Miller or the big out of MSST Moultrie?
Let's keep in mind that Anthony Randolph has been a good player when he's been allowed on the court, and he is only 23. He could still develop into an all-star IMO if somebody will give him a chance.
Exactly. Wasn't downplaying Randolph but he could get stuck in that cycle like Randolph is currently in.
Man, Barnes is really getting pigeon-holed based on those 2 games. I agree, he's overrated and really struggled without Marshall, but that does not mean he can't handle pressure filled situations. All season long he went into beast mode when he had to until those last 2 games in the tourney, and since those are the only games anybody watched, he's automatically dubbed anti-clutch. In any event, I agree with your OP and really like the Hollis Thompson throw in...I hadn't thought about him too much, but he could be an intriguing 2nd round pick up. P.S. At this rate, if Barnes even averages 2 points a game in the NBA he'll be out producing Morris. Switch Morris with Parsons & your point would be infinitely times stronger.
Yes, I am majoring the majority of my stigma with Barnes from these last two games, although these games just solidified it for me. That was his chance to prove he had Superstar potential which I feel most fans & critics disagree on. This isn't the guy that can solely turn your franchise around & that is what the top five should be capable of. He can be a major contributor to the turn but not the cause. Was keeping the argument fair by compare almost like situations (draft # selection). Hollis Thompson is the Chandler Parsons of this draft. We have to select him if available in the second.
As Charles Barkley would say, "You must be out of your damn mind!". :grin: Harrison Barnes, while probably not the "Kobe Part II" people were hoping for, is at least the next Luol Deng. Even for that, I would gladly trade up into the top half of the lottery. And as far as not being able to play without a PG, the last time I checked, every single NBA team had better PG play than UNC did without Marshall. As long as I'm not pinning the entire hopes and dreams of the franchise on Barnes, I'd be ecstatic to get him.
Disagree on that one. Deng's greatest value is his defense. Barnes is not a good defender from what I've seen and I don't think he'll be much better, if at all than Deng on offense. I also think that Deng is a better all-around player than Barnes will be. Obviously I could be wrong. I haven't gotten to see much college hoops this season, so this is mostly based on what I saw last year. I also respect your opinion as you're on of the more knowledgable posters on this board. We'll have to wait and see I guess. I for one wouldn't be ecstatic if we drafted Barnes.
I love these types of debates :grin: But me on the side of avoiding Barnes. His athleticism is overrated, he has shown limited improvement from last season and I believe his defense is suspect. I predict Harrison Barnes to be a role player and I think Chandler Parsons will be twice the NBA player that Barnes will be. The players I would hope the Rockets can snatch by moving up the draft in a trade would be Gilchrist, Beal, Henson or Moultrie. I'm not thinking the Rockets would do this but If they decided the best course for the team would to be resign Dragic (starter), bring Lull over (sub / rotation pg) and trade Lowry how far could we move up in the draft using Lowry, NYK & Mavs pics?
Hey, I won't pretend to be a college basketball expert. I don't watch it as much as many others here, although I keep up with the top NBA prospects. I've liked Barnes for awhile now and think he's already had some clutch performances. I hope his draft stock is hurt enough for the Rockets to be able to trade up for him. There's no way he lasts even to a NYK late lottery pick. I'd be happy with MKD or Beal, although MKD strikes me as a very "Battier-like" lottery pick. Guaranteed high quality role player on a championship contender, but most likely not an All-Star. Beal will be a good SG, but he and MKD will be off the board well before we pick. I wouldn't put it past Morey to trade Lowry if he knew he could re-sign Dragic to a reasonable deal. Unfortunately, Gogi may have played himself out of the Rockets' price range. He'll have even more leverage with Lowry gone. Also, Llull's buyout this summer may be too pricey for him to eat that much money to come over. Look for him to come over as the third guard in 2013-14, if he's not included in a trade package before then.
Well, I think he is a top 10 player in this draft class. The reason I wouldn't move up for him is we already have Chandler Parsons. It's not like we're desperate for a SF, I don't think we should be combining picks and giving up other assets to move up for a guy who doesn't project as a superstar at a position where we already have a guy who could be Battier with stats. If he falls into our lap at #15 or whatever then of course we should take him, but to pay the price for say a #7 pick probably wouldn't be worth it (depending on what it costs). I would assume to get #5-7 pick we'd have to give up Lowry. To me that might be worth it for Thomas Robinson, Bradley Beal, maybe even Jared Sullinger, but not Harrison Barnes (IMO).
And, I still don't buy that Morey is going to let Dragic walk for nothing. Morey's desire for a franchise player will outweigh his penny-pinching ways on this one. Dragic has been playing like Steve Nash + defense these last few weeks, and if he develops into that kind of player, the fans will slaughter Morey for letting him walk in free agency. I don't really give a crap what the price tag is, I think you gotta re-sign him. He's playing himself into a Lowry++ payday, but so what? If you think he can sustain this, he's worth it. His production as a starter is max money type stuff, of course he won't get that much on the open market, but we can and should outbid everyone for him given we can offer him an extra year and bigger raises each season.
