I'm just curious. Since day one, I thought we would be comparing Stevie to Marbury. But, we keep comparing him to Payton, Kidd and Stockton and phantom legends like Isiah with Hops. We are all big Francis fans, and fans of his spectacular athleticism, and great stats. So, does Marbury not exist? In light of the "ALL NBA TEAMS-NO FRANCIS" thread, the Goodwill Games Dis thread, and the other media dissing of our boy ("he gets no respect"), why is Marbury ignored when us homey's talk about new-age point guards? Does he not make the All-Star game, 3rd Team NBA (last year), have the stats we expect Francis' potential to provide, and all the other great things we want for our boy. Why do we not mention him, like he is not there? I could understand the arguments that he plays for a losing team, but we don't even mention him, considering the awards and eye-popping stats he puts up. Besides, on the winning record theory, I could also ask, "Does Steve Nash Exist?" lol Do we not equally ignore Marbury when we say Francis is being looked over by awards given to Payton, Stockton, Kidd. Marbury has better stats, is younger, and has 3 yrs more experience Marbury was 3rd team last year, and got more votes than Francis and Stockton this year. Yet, we only say, "Why did Stockton get more votes than Francis?" Again, not mentioning Marbury. Is it because we believe Francis is a one-man team like Marbury so more wins should mean more votes...forgetting for a second that Marbury's primary stats are far better than Francis. And Marbury is actually YOUNGER than Francis. (OK, only by one day.) Wouldn't you have a huge fit if Francis has a 3rd season like Marbury did and not get selected to at least 2nd team? How about last year's Marbury? The year before that? Marbury has had a decimated front-line Seriously, I'm not going to debate this, since I like Francis more than Marbury. If I wanted a Marbury vs Francis debate, I could have started this long time ago. I just want to know after 2 years, why we rarely see any posts comparing Francis to Marbury. How much is not talking about Marbury is homey favoritism for Francis versus the belief that the Nets should have more wins if Marbury was as good as Stevie? Maybe Van Horn is less than Mo', NJ's coaching sucks, injuries have decimated their front court, and they have no other goto guy like Cuttino. OK, Marbury is no choir boy, but neither is Payton Is it because you think Marbury is detrimental to the team? Like Payton? Or is he Payton (sans the defense) with no front-line, still worthy of respect. Marbury rocked in the All-Star game to start the 4th quarter surge, that is for sure. What if Byron Scott cools him down Can Byron harness this boy's awesome skilz? If he does, do we continue ignoring him when building up Stevie Wonderboy? Lil Francis, Francis3, Tacomah Park Legend, Francis90210, FranchiseCityZone and all our loveable homey Franchise fanatics. Don't get defensive on me. Although I believe Marbury is an oustanding talent, and would cheer fanactically for him if I were a Nets fan, I'd take Francis over Marbury, if I had the choice. <font size="1" color="3c3c3c">(well, maybe,,,give me one more year to decide.)</font>
Back when Milwaukee traded Marbury for Ray Allen I often thought that was the dumbest trade Milw ever made. I guess I figured that wrong. Marbury started off having much better seasons than Allen. But since he moved on to the Nets Marbury has gone into obscurity similar to anybody who gets traded to the Clippers. Meanwhile Allen gets better every year. Now I would definately take Allen over Marbury. As to Marbury vs Francis: If Marbury stayed at Minnesota we here in Houston would get to see him more often and be concerned with a competitor for a playoff spot. But while he is in an obscure team in the east - who cares? ------------------
heypartner, Nets and TWolves aren't media favorites and he had the nasty contract dispute in Minnesota. Whether working the media is something that is learned or just comes naturally, Marbury doesn't do it very well. Is he considered a leader or just a player with skills? Francis has started to cultivate an image as a leader and that helps in the perception game. Mango ------------------ Get it right or just don't do it! Resistance is futile....you will be assimilated. Start more Webber threads!
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Unless he comes back to the Western Conference(The Real Conference), he is a non-factor IMO. He is a good PG on a sorry team. If he was still on the T-Wolves, he most likley would not get the 40 shots a night to score 20+ points. However, I respect the fast the he can dish it out like a mad man. But I will still say again that due to the fact the FRANCHISE only has to be better than Kidd and Glove to become an All-Star, he is a NON-FACTOR. ------------------
I've always liked Marbury...in fact, I thought he should have won ROY in '96 over Iverson. I thought Stephon was better than AI that year, although he certainly is not now. As for the Francis-Marbury comparison, I really do not think they are all that alike...but they are probably more alike than Steve and Payton or Steve and Stockton. You must also remember that Marbury plays in the East, and most people compare Steve to the Western conference players rather than Eastern. ------------------ Now saw off...there's nothing to see here.
Marbury is playing for the wrong team. If he played for the Lakers he would be a poster boy. ------------------ President of the Steve Francis, Jamal Crawford,Larry Hughes, and Charles Woodson fan club.
I always wondered why people thought of Marbury as a bad person. The only bad thing the kid ever did was to want out of Minnesota and he has acknowledged it many times. I have said it before that Francis and Marbury are the two most talented players in the league. The only flaw that I ever hear of from the media of Marbury's game is that he doesn't trust his teamates enough and to tell you the truth I don't buy that for a minute. He gets more assists per game than the Franchise and he scores more with a much weaker supporting cast. I personaly think him and the Franchise have the talent to be the two best players in the league. Never before has athleticism like this been seen in PG's and with a strong supporting cast these two could be the catalysts for future dynasties. Just for your info I have brought up Marbury before but CC.net doesn't like him. Just take a look. Don't worry about the topic just read the P.S. of the first post and my other post further down. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum3/HTML/010400.html ------------------ "We need to FOCASS".... Akeem Olajuwon
Unfortunately, I rarely get the opportunity to see him play, so I don't really have enough to go on to compare him with Francis. ------------------ Founding Father of the Refs Suck Club
Heypartner: Francis was born on 2/21/77. Marbury was born on 2/20/77. That means Marbury is actually older than Francis (ok 1 day don't matter ) Francis should be compared more with Marbury... I agree. Realistically, I see Stevie being just like Marbury once he has reached his potential, maybe a lil better . ------------------ PrEsident of The Danforth Langhford FAN CLUB... He IS our future All-Star Small Forward
At this stage, Marbury is certainly better than Francis, though in Stevie's defense, he has played less organized ball, and I think he's more athletic. HP: If I had to guess, I'd say people don't compare Francis to Marbury because they want Francis to lead a winning team . I'm not saying it's Marbury's fault, just that people prefer to compare Francis to players in a winning context. I think the comparison has some merit, although I think Francis has a better around-the-rim game than Marbury. ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
Marbury doesn't exist for the same reason that Shareef Abdur-Rahim and Elton Brand don't exist - his team sucks. Great players don't play on sucky teams, because great players make sure their teams don't suck. And no matter how great your stats(e tu Heypee?), those stats will always be questioned because playing on a bad team artificially inflates your stats. ------------------ This space currently being renovated. We apologize for the inconvenience.
I just thought that bore repeating. Poodle-4 is exactly right. Big #s on bad teams = Jerry Stackhouse syndrome (or Terry Catledge, for those of you who remember him). Anyone heard from Loy Vaught recently? ------------------ Bingbong was set up, led to an untimely death in the prime of his life for no other reason than pure malice. Things like that do not go unavenged. Sometimes it spills out onto the field of play.
inflated stats does not explain why Marbury has 8 assists with a horrible supporting cast. Yeah, if you surround him with more talent his points would go down, but most likely his assists would go up as well. Points and rebounds are easier to inflate on a crappy team, assists aren't. ------------------ snap crackle pop
aha! If Puedlfor and SamCassell are correct, then do Steve Nash and Sam Cassell exist? Or do they not exist because Francis jumps higher. And didn't Isiah Thomas inflate his stats out of the gate in a losing effort like Marbury.
Marbury and Francis get swindled when it comes to sports recognition. This probably stems from the lack of perception from a certain group of narrowed minded sportswriters who enjoy writing till sunset while drinking vodka late into the night with Fran blinberry. Marburys offense is much more potent while Francis has the overall better game. ------------------
I watched quite a bit of Marbury, and even though he had 8 assists, he wasn't a great passer. His assists didn't come off seeing a seam in the defense, but more from hitting players coming off screens. Marbury has as much talent as any point guard in the league. HP, is this supposed to be about how Marbury gets no respect, in terms of award and recognition, like the other top point guards in the league get? I gurantee you the players know what he can do, and when you ask most point guards who their toughest matchup was, they'll likely tell you Stephon. I know that's what Francis and Nash both said. On the other hand, he doesn't get alot of media respect, but no player who plays on a team like the Nets would. Until he plays for a winner, he'll always be bypassed by the media. Hell, if the nets had improved slightly over the past 3 years I bet he gets more respect, but they haven't. Hopefully he'll become the next Michael Finley, and become a winner, but it doesn't look too good for him right now. ------------------
Also, Marbury and Francis are both overlooked by many people who vote for these teams/awards. They both seem to get more respect from the east coast sportswriters. ------------------
