Everyone already forgot about the anxiety surrounding Yao being released to play in NBA? Here is a quick reminder of what could happen at any time. Looks like the Nuggets got burned. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-china-xue&prov=ap&type=lgns China: Xue not ready for NBA June 28, 2003 BEIJING (AP) -- Chinese basketball officials said Denver Nuggets prospect Xue Yuyang is not ready for the NBA and will not be allowed to play in the United States next season. ``It's an internal matter that we are going to work through the proper channels to resolve,'' Nuggets spokesman Tommy Sheppard said. The 7-foot Xue was drafted 57th overall by the Dallas Mavericks on Thursday night, then traded to the Nuggets for a second-round pick in 2004. In a statement appearing in Chinese newspapers, the Chinese Basketball Association said Xue wasn't ready for the NBA and his participation in the draft violated regulations. ``Xue Yuyang's selection shows China's own-trained athletes have received international recognition and is a good thing,'' the statement said. But it added that Xue needed to ``train with the national team, play in international competitions, build up experience, improve his skills and strengthen himself physically for the grueling competition of the NBA. ``When conditions are ripe, the Chinese Basketball Association will support him to go play in the NBA.'' The statement said Xue's agents violated notification rules in entering him in the draft, but didn't say if anyone would be punished.
I think that's fair enough. Somehow I don't think this kid is as ready as Yao and if he flops badly it will reflect badly on the CBA.
The fact is that they waited until after the draft to bring this up. I don't know any of the surrounding curcumstances, other than this article, but there are plenty of assumtions that can be made. Maybe he went too late in the draft (2nd to last) and they decided afterwards that he would "dishonor" China if he were allowed to play. Maybe he pissed someone off, and a decision was made at a late date to not let him go. I think that it is more likely that his Chinese team is being selfish and want him to continue playing for them. It could also be more of the same crap that Yao had to deal with. Everyone wants a piece of the pie, so they are positioning themselves to get it. Somehow I doubt this is the case. He doesn't have a guaranteed contract, and is not really a marketing asset. Anyway, it make me worry that Yao could be subjected to the whim of just about any politician or official in China... where he will be spending his offseasons.
I don't understand what this has anything to do with Yao. Yao is way too popular and is generating too much interest in the NBA for the gov't to order him home. The gov't can cover things up but once something is out in the open, it takes on a life of its own. If you think about it, China has nothing to gain from this kid coming over to the US. He's a late 2nd round draft pick and may or may not make the team. Even assuming he makes the team, he'll probably be a bench warmer. That doesn't help the gov't or the player. He's better off staying in China honing his skills just like the European 2nd rounders who stay with their respective teams to gain experience. As far as the offseason crap, we knew going into it that Yao was going back to China after the season. In fact, even if he wasn't obligated to go back, Im sure he would want to. Hmmm, stay in Houston and its 100 degree humid summers or go back to your native country. The key for the Nuggets is they retain his rights if he ever does progress to an NBA caliber level.
This would never happen with Yao. Yao has an NBA contract. If China thinks they can just recall him or not allow him to come back over to start the season, they will find that FIBA will disallow his participation in any international competitions.
the chinese government hasn't even done anything to yao and already people are jumping to conclusions and using whatever the basketball association does to criticize it or depict it negatively. can we not get too political? dishonor? i think you're exaggerating a bit. it has more to do with his lack of experience. wasn't one of the pre-requisites for yao to win a championship for shanghai or whatever? xue's team finished last if i remember correctly in china so they might be concerned about his nba readiness and whether it might ruin their league's reputation and cause people to stereotype chinese players in a bad way but please avoid using terms like dishonor cause that sounds like something from a martial arts movie and how somebody would joke about dishonoring their master or whatever. all teams are selfish, look at real madrid and what they did to lampe. "Anyway, it make me worry that Yao could be subjected to the whim of just about any politician or official in China... where he will be spending his offseasons." don't you think you're generalizing a bit too much. don't get too paranoid now. years from now, if yao is recalled during the nba playoffs and forced to play in some meaningless tournament, feel free to blast on the cba officials or whatever, but right now there's no issue to really argue about.
That article left out some context. CBA said Xue didn't get permission prior to the draft, Xue's agent said he did communicate with CBA prior to the draft regarding the matter and that's all he said. Only communication isn't enough, it's clear they didn't reach an agreement. My guess is CBA doesn't want all its propects to rush to the NBA draft unless it gets well compensated, like in Yao's case. In Xue's case, he's gonna be a bench warmer. Not much market value there. Although many people in China bashes CBA for doing so, Xue's situation actually is not pertaining to Yao.
he's not even the best prospect in china, but he is the youngest chinese player ever drafted. he's an ok player with some versatility and speed from what i've heard. but there's NO hype surrounding him. he's not the same caliber prospect yao was. and there are some other players who are better than him who have yet to enter the draft. and this guy hasn't even played in the olympics yet. he needs experience to realize what part of his game needs to improve. never seen any video on him. i didn't get to watch the draft segment when he was picked, did anybody see any video footage? or did he just get his name announced and then the trade reported to denver?
I saw somewhere else that China warned teams that he was still under contract there and would not be allowed out of it if he was drafted. So, they should have known. That Polish kid that went all the way into the second round was in the same boat which is why he dropped so far.
If the CBA has any plans of saying this draft is void and he is free to enter another one, they are sadly mistaken. He is a second rounder, and he will remain a second rounder forever, as long as he continues play pro ball somewhere. No matter what their regulations are, the NBA is a different league and a draft is about claiming rights to negotiate. It is not a draft to order someone to appear and sign on the dotted line. It is just about claiming rights among our NBA franchises. We draft international players over 21 without them declaring, and before that if they declare. The kid sounds like he declared, as far as the NBA is concerned. They are free to not transfer his FIBA license to play in another league, but that are not allowed to nullify a draft pick. Denver owns his rights as a second rounder, and that won't (nor shouldn't) change. If it does, our draft rules governing what teams have rights to negotiate with what players will just unravel.
Dealing with the CBA? C'mon, y'all can't be serious. I mean I know that there are always some politics involved when dealing with them, but this is ridiculous. Let's reverse the situation. Let's say that the CBA decided to draft TD, Kobe and KG, while they're still under contract I might add, you think the NBA's just gonna let them walk? It might be in China's interest to let their players come here because they get better but it certainly isn't in the CBA's interest, because they lose their stars. If the roles are reversed the NBA would do exactly the same thing.
the cba hasn't done anything like that, so why are you making a bigger deal out of it? all the cba did is say that xue will not be allowed to participate next season. they want him to gain some olympic experience and play against some nba pros so he can figure out how he measures up against the world's best. that way the kid won't be shocked by the level of competition in the nba and will have at least some time to improve. they're not denying denver of its rights to the kid because the kid is a nugget and the nuggets will retain his rights until the kid is ready to compete for a roster spot. even the gm of the nuggets said this kid is a couple of years away from competing for a roster spot. xue's only around 20 years old if i remember correctly, so he's under 21, so he needed to declare to become draft eligible. but that's irrelevant seeing as china has no problem with denver retaining his rights. they just want him to fulfill certain prerequisites before playing at the next level, i guess you could look at it like passing certain courses and achievements before you make it to the nba. i don't think it will hinder his development much seeing as this kid probably wouldn't even make the roster if he tried out this year anyway. denver said they used this pick to draft for the FUTURE so its not like they were expecting an immediate impact player.
Bingo!! There may have been a time when the Rockets were taking a risk by selecting Yao, but not now that Yao has become one of the most recognized people in the world. Yao is a hero to the Chinese people and the Chinese govt. can see he benefits China more as an NBA player than as a CBA player.
just trying to state fact about our draft rules, in light of responses saying that the CBA is considering compensation issues just like European teams have done with Gasol, Ginobili, Tsiki and Lampje. They can't say the guy had no right to declare...no Euro team has ever said that. We don't care about their rules. If he filled out a declaration form, he can be drafted, and he was. The idea that they are trying to say the declaration was no legal, just makes me think they are attempted to say that the draft pick should be voided, as a way to make him a first rounder later. that's my read, based on no other league ever saying that a declaration was not legal.
the cba hasn't even mentioned a single thing about compensation yet. all that has been reported is that the kid xue violated cba regulations or whatever and didn't get china's blessing to enter the draft and would not be allowed to play right away for denver, but it is clear that denver will retain xue's rights. they're just going to delay his participation in training or competing for a roster spot on denver's team. they didn't say anything about the legality of his being drafted by denver. it's not like they're refusing denver his draft rights or anything so you are exaggerating a bit. they are saying he violated regulations and that he would not be allowed to participate right away and would not be able to play next season. but its not like denver expected this kid to be in camp right away anyway. they would probably rather him play overseas for the time being.
Excellent point. I hadn't considered that way. That tends to reinforce my point about the illogical methods that things seem to get taken care of in China (coming from a western point of view of course). My worries are about the things that can't be controlled and could bite the Rockets. What if Yao were injured during international play? Would the Rocket's doctors be allowed to treat Yao? I can assure you that American sports medicine is far more advanced than Chinese sports medicine. What would happen if Yao somehow breached his contract with the CBA? What would happen if there were no breach, but the CBA thought there was? I'm being a complete alarmist, but we have not necessarily seen the end of CBA headaches.
Could that also be why Badiane fell to #44? On draft night they were predicting him to go at #28 late in the first. It would actually help us out in the future if Badiane plays some more overseas and comes back in a couple of years even more ready to give us some solid play off the bench. I like the sound of his defense and rebounding toughness.
fine. But, Euro teams mention compensation as prerequisite for release all the time, and the CBA's compensation for Yao was a major deal. That's a fact. What has never happened since I've ever watched the draft is a league going public saying that a draft pick broke rules by declaring. It serves no NBA purpose to say that. The NBA doesn't care. They know the player can't come unless released by the previous team. Making a big deal about him breaking rules in declaring is unique. I've never seen that. It has never happened. Guys can declare all they want, but they can't get a license to play in a different FIBA league unless the CBA releases them. The CBA has no need to worry about losing him. Just seems like bull**** propoganda to me.
