Weathers really needs to think about getting out of the game. The guy is worthless. And the fact that we continue to pitch him in games is beyond me. F the Astros!! Time to watch a real team play...Texans this Saturday!!!!
Time to demote Weathers. Im with Rez---F the astros. They spend all this $$$, and they can't produce. Bring on the Texans and Rockets.
So I'm guessing you agree that Hunsicker's decision to pay Weathers $4M a year in place of Doggie was a bad bad bad bad bad deal. At least I hope each and every last one of you agree on that one.
I was going to be the first poster ever to quote a Randy Travis song, but I won't. Needless to say, hindsight is 20/20. You ask 30 GMs if they'd trade a struggling Hidalgo making $17 millon for a decent reliever in Weathers, which in turn freed up money to trade for Beltran, one of the rising stars in the league, I guarantee you everyone says yes. Just because it hasn't worked out necessarily doesn't mean it was a bad trade to make.
Out of curiosity, how much did we save? Didn't we include 4 million dollars in that deal? IMO, Hunsicker thought a change of scenery would help Weathers. He saved a little cash but that wasn't as important as improving our bullpen. Not a bad idea, it just didn't work. Cut him and give the young kids some major league time.
We saved enough to make a move for Beltran, which we wouldn't have done without getting rid of a big chunk of salary. Basically, we spent that $17 million on Hidalgo for two months, Beltran and Weathers for the last half+ of the season. Again, there's not a GM that wouldn't have done those deals.
I have to disagree with you. Most would have done the Beltran deal. I don't know about the Weathers deal. Also, you're giving Hunsicker way too much credit. You're saying he pulled the trigger on a deal because he knew at that moment that he was going pull the trigger on another deal. Why did he wait for so long then? The Weathers/Hidalgo deal had more to do with getting rid of Hidalgo because Jimy and Hidalgo couldn't co-exist. Just like what happen in Boston with Jimy and Carl Everett!
I really don't understand why people think the two deals were tied. We didn't have the Beltran deal done when the Doggie for Weathers deal occurred. Regardless, Beltran has played for **** for us and they won't resign him barring miracle. And a miracle is not coming. So putting the deals together (and given that we stood no chance anyway after not putting together a decent bullpen), on a long-term basis, we traded Doggie, a serviceable outfielder, and a good reliever in Dotel for . . . WEATHERS (I am excluding that we exchanged some prospects as well). We do end up saving some money I guess. Do you really think we saved enough money to go out and sign a big time player? I can tell you that we didn't. We can't even sign Beltran for the money we saved. It's all crap.
Timeline Jimy benches Doggy Doggy thinks he is treated unfairly... Knows it's a contract year... looks at the rest of the team and thinks why just me... Why not Brad, Jeff... (IMO) Jimy, Gerry, Tal, and Drayton get together and say... "We think we should trade Doggy becuse he may become a cancer if he isn't already." (my assumption) Gerry trades Doggy + Cash to get an under performing veteran in Weathers. He is hopes that Weathers does better in Houston... And feels like Weathers has the experience to fit this role. And Gerry saves Drayton some cash. Jason Lane plays a few games. Biggio doesn't get to a few balls, doesn't catch others... offense isn't clicking... defense needs improving... left-handed stick needed...speed needed... Upper management probably decided that Lidge will be their man... Upper Management thought Mecili could take over the 8th innings... Weathers will pitch the 7th... Gerry knows that Dotel could become a cancer if Lidge becomes the closer (IMO) Gerry tries to acquire Beltran... Royals say no. Drayton calls his buddy, Royals owner, deal gets done. Mecili doesn't work out. Weathers doesn't work out. Jimy relies on his bullpen and doesn't really fit the team now... Changes is needed Jimy is fired!!! Defense does improve marginally Offense is still a question mark Gerry's bullpen sucks! ......
They were tied together in the sense that the Beltran deal was in place before we traded Hidalgo, however, there's no doubt that the Beltran deal would not have been made had we not been able to unload Hidalgo. It's honestly irrelevant that it didn't work out. It's a deal that every GM would've done. Not to mention, Hidalgo wasn't going to be an Astro next year. No way we pick up that option. Rightfully so.
Rm95- The trades did not work out. I didn't disagree or agree with the deals. I do think the team was desperate though. Can you explain why you think the Beltran deal was already in place? Also, can you explain why you think every GM would of done that deal?
Can you show me where I ever said the Beltran deal was in place before the Hidalgo trade? All I've said is that it couldn't have been done without the Hidalgo deal. I guess I should add a caveat to every GM. The GMs that don't do that deal are the GMs that don't have to think about money. I think every GM (sans Yankees, Red Sox, etc.) does that deal because you have a chance to get out of paying a good chunk of the year's salary for a player making $17 million to hit for no power, hit for low average and who was starting to have a hard time getting off the bench. Meanwhile, Weathers is usually a decent arm to have out of the pen.
Oops, that was supposed to read weren't. Lousy beautiful Friday afternoons and their beer callings. I'm a tad tipsy.
