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Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by Francis3422, Nov 12, 2007.

  1. MiniMing

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    I agree with you, I think Dallas are the best/most balanced team in the NFC. I don't think they will have any problems going to the Superbowl.
     
  2. Angle02

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    I guess the only thing that matters is the end of season record and who wins the Super Bowl.
     
  3. Lil Pun

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    Not even the end of the season record really. I mean if the Patriots go 16-0 and lose the playoffs and the Super Bowl then their 16-0 season is worthless, all it is good for is the history books really.
     
  4. RC Cola

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    Am I the only one that doesn't really care about this situation? I mean technically, Jones is the starter, but Barber has had more carries (and more plays called for him I believe) than Jones. I'm assuming you'd be OK with Barber as the starter, and I sure wouldn't complain much with having JJ as the 2nd back. They just seem like different backs that do well against different defenses, although I do think Barber is definitely the better back, at least when it comes to picking up yards (haven't really paid much attention to how well they block). These last few games, Jones has actually played pretty well, maybe even better than Barber going by some stats IIRC.

    As for the Cowboys in general, I don't really care what other people think about the team. Whether you think they're the worst team in the NFL, the best team in the NFC, or even the best team in the NFL, it doesn't really matter. I do know that the team is pretty good, and has the potential to be great. They did lose to the Patriots, but I do think that the Cowboys could beat them if they played again, and that's basically all that matters to me. Not saying it would be easy, but I felt as though the Cowboys had a bunch of mental mistakes that occurred during critical moments in that game, which is something you cannot do with a team as talented as the Patriots (or really any decent NFL team). If they didn't commit many mistakes and were just outplayed, then I might be a little more worried.
     
  5. rocket tar

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    it's the nfl. you don't get to pick your schedule. you just play the teams you play and how it is dallas is going to have a weak schedule because the nfc is weak.
     
  6. Lil Pun

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    That's the way I feel, a good team with the potential to be great.

    I don't know why anybody would worry about the running back situation either. The Jones-Barber combination is a stout one.
     
  7. Nero

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    You know, I don't know who you people think they should be playing. They can only play the schedule they are given.

    There is a flaw in the logic of the people who say, 'They are not that good because of the supposed weakness of their opponents.' The flaw is, absolutely nothing is implied or proven by beating a weaker team, other than the better team won.

    Now, if they were having to scrape by, or have miracle finishes against these 'weak' teams (and, by the way, Buffalo has a win streak going now, so that win looks a little better each week too), such as the way that the Wisconsin team has had to win a few of their games, then that would be one thing. But with the exception of the Buffalo game, where they flat-out just didn't play well, but still won, none of their wins have been close.

    So, we know only one thing from this season: New England is the best team, by virtue of their record, and is the ONLY team that we KNOW is currently better than Dallas, because the Pats BEAT them. The schedules played by both New England and Dallas are both comparably weak, yet you do not hear people calling New England a mediocre team, yet everyone is ready to discount the Cowboys.

    Ok.

    I just remember that both of the times that the Cowboys played the Bills in the 90's, the conventional wisdom was that the Bills would win. We know what happened.

    I remember the raiders and Squirek smearing the 'unbeatable' Redskins.

    Unexpected things happen in big games sometimes. Maybe the Pats are unbeatable, maybe they aren't.

    But saying that the Cowboys' schedule somehow proves anything other than the fact that the Cowboys are better than 8 of their 9 opponents so far is nothing but opinion.

    They could very well be far-and-away the 2nd best team in the entire league - how would their schedule and results look any different? It wouldn't, so just give it a rest with all the schedule-bashing.
     
  8. Lil Pun

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    By that logic, if the New York Jets beat the Cowboys in a couple of weeks they are a better team than the Cowboys, right? For that matter any team that defeats them the rest of the year? The reason people do not discount New England is because they have defeated 2 undefeated team in Dallas and Indianapolis, pretty good teams in Washington and San Diego, and since somebody mentioned it before that the Bills are on a win streak and makes the Cowboys look that much more credible then the same works for New England in that respect for wins over Buffalo and Cleveland.

    According to your logic, the Patriots are better than the Cowboys.

    I can live with that, it says they are better than 8 of the 9 opponents they have played.

    I am not quite sure what you mean by this last statement.
     
  9. KePoW

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    seriously Lil Pun, you are way over-analyzing this...it makes no f'in difference what the schedule is, this is the NFL, not college football

    are you implying that due to any team's schedule strength in the NFL, that you can predict how they will do in the future and later in the season? that would be a big fat...NO, period. so just chill the hell out, this debate has absolutely no meaning one way or the other. 'respect' means nothing
     
  10. HOOP-T

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    I root for two teams - the Texans and anyone that plays the Cowboys.

    That being said.....hate is definitely blinding any objectivity in this thread. Crazy!!
     
  11. tinman

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    except the NFL.
     
  12. Angle02

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    I'm really not that comfortable with our running game except when Barber is in the game. I've never really been a fan of Jones and really didn't think too much of him while he was in college. It seems like someone can touch his jersey or foot and he falls to the ground. Barber on the other hand runs with heart and does a good job at breaking tackles. I like how they have it now because I think Barber is best suited to come in 2nd and pound away at an already tired defense. I wouldn't be disappointed if we draft a RB on the first day to replace Jones. That is after getting a highly touted WR and CB.
     
  13. Nero

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    Good Lord, you sad Philly guys are just too precious. I did very much enjoy seeing all those wackos in Philly with their faces all painted up and everything, all sitting there with these sad little faces, looking like the Cowboys had just come into Philly and beat the snot out of the Eagles and sent about 60 thousand people home by the start of the 4th quarter.

    I don't understand exactly what you are trying to say in this thread, except that you still don't believe the Cowboys are any good, based uponothing more than the fact that they have only beaten 8 of the 9 teams on their schedule. You completely ignore that there are about 30 other teams in the NFL that they would likely have beaten, but they can only play who is on the schedule.

    You keep saying 'If' - 'If' the Jets beat the Cowboys, then they would be better than them (but they won't so what is your point?), "if' 'If' 'if'... If my aunt had a moustache, she'd be my uncle.

    It's not the N 'if' L, it's the N F L.

    As far as the last statement being so confusing to you, I will try to clarify: how would their record look any different if you knew for certain that they were in fact the 2nd best team in the league, and not some pretender, which you seem to think they are? It would not look any different than it does right now, which means that it is in fact entirely possible that they ARE the 2nd best team in the entire league. There is certainly nothing about an 8-1 record which would lead anyone (other than myopic philly fans and other haters) to think it suggests that they are somehow NOT a very good team.

    We'll know more on the 29th, and then even more come SuperBowl time.

    And the Eagles are going to be watching on tv, along with their green-paint-faced sad little fans.

    At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is 'scoreboard'. And if you think that the Eagles got an ass-kicking last week, wait til they come down to Dallas. It'll be close to the end of the McNabb era in Philly, too, as he is going to be the QB for the Vikes next year, you watch.
     
  14. Achilleus

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    The Cowboys? I don't think they're better than the Steelers or the Colts. I don't think they're much better than the Packers to the point where you don't even consider the possibility. I think the Packers could win the game, but who knows... It should be fun to watch.
     
  15. Lil Pun

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    I am simply giving my opinion. People fired back at me for my opinion. You all have your opinions and I have mine, why should I chill out? Why can I not criticize but you all can praise them? Respect may mean nothing but that's just my opinion, if you do not like it ignore it. Not that hard.
     
  16. Lil Pun

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    What does the Philly game have to do with anything? I have not mentioned anything about them.

    7 out of 8 teams on their schedule, remember. See, this is what I am saying. I am simply giving you my opinion to counter your own. You are stating they can be all 30 teams besides the Patriots, I don't think that is true but. Neither of us is necessarily right because these are just our own opinions. I have mine and you have your's and nothing more.

    You stated that the only team that we know for a fact that is better than the Cowboys are the Patriots. One can assume from that logic that any team that defeats them is better than them, no?

    I have never said anything about them being a bad team, the quality of opponents they have beaten is not that good in my opinion, including the Philadelphia Eagles. I have never said they are bad. Thanks though.

    That will be a big weekend, especially if both teams keep 1 in their loss columns. If they reach the Super Bowl.

    Again, what's the point of bringing up the Eagles. It's irrelevant.

    Again, what's the point of bringing up the Eagles?

    I find this totally funny. I have said nothing bad about the Cowboys, just about the opposition yet you bring up the Eagles and bash them over and over again when it's irrelevant to the discussion. We can talk about them and their troubles in another thread. So yeah, Cowboys fans have a hard time dealing with some criticism, obviously.
     
  17. RC Cola

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    It would be nice if Julius could break tackles as well as Marion, but that doesn't seem like the type of runner he is to me (not sure that has anything to do with heart). I wouldn't be surprised if they replaced him either though, especially if Julius thinks that he deserves more carries. I wouldn't mind giving Tyson Thompson a better look at RB, although he hasn't really looked the same since his injury.
     
  18. CriscoKidd

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    TT is the same as Julius, except with less moves and more straight line speed. He can't break any tackles.

    I'd rather let JJ move on and draft a replacement. Well, ideally I'd love to get Michael Turner and pair him up with Barber, but I highly doubt that happens.

    JJ has gamebreaking speed, but his instincts aren't up to par(vision + using his blockers), and he can't break tackles.
     
  19. KePoW

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    lol, criticism of what, their schedule?

    lol, people are firing back at you because that is the stupidest argument when it comes to the NFL...strength of schedule does not matter anywhere NEAR as much in the pros as it does in college football. Cowboys fans don't have problems dealing with valid criticism...if you had come in here talking smack about how the Patriots owned the Cowboys, and how the Cowboys could never beat them this year, then no one would have said anything because that is a legit statement

    talking weak **** about strength of schedule in the NFL? that's where the reaction came from in this thread. seriously, take a step back and look at the entire thread again...you posted a ton of times just to stir up trouble and start an argument

    and don't bring up a weak point about how this is America and there is freedom of speech, lol. that's the lamest debate tactic ever. of course you can say whatever you want...just don't be surprised when people get annoyed after realizing you're just sh!tting on the thread
     
  20. RC Cola

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    Yeah, I was basically bringing up TT as a cheap and easy way of replacing JJ, which would hopefully result in roughly the same effective running game the team has now. There are obviously some better alternatives out there; I don't really pay as much attention to college football as I should though, so I can't really comment on any potential rookie RBs that might be good additions.
     

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