8 for 20 with 2 walks. All I can say is a big thanks to Craig freaking Biggio for helping the Astros achieve something they’ve never done, and in the process totally making me wrong for not believing in him in the first place. I honestly didn’t think he would ever figure it out in the playoffs. Barry Bonds was the same way. He stunk in the playoffs for a long time. But he’s Barry Bonds and he shined in 2002 big time.You knew it had to happen for a guy like Bonds, but Craig Biggio? He’s only getting older, not better I thought. But when he hit that three run HR in Game 4, I was in shock. And that HR seemed to get the monkey off his back, and then he exploded. Craig Biggio is the man, simple as that. I didn’t think he was a lock for the Hall, but he certainly is now after this storybook ending. In the biggest game in Astros history, we saw a 3 for 5 performance from Craig on day where he had trouble sleeping the night before because one of his best friends suddenly succumbed to his demons. To perform well under these conditions is heroic and should be remembered forever. The sky’s the limit for the Astros now; maybe they will be like the 1996 Supersonics and just explode in the playoffs after getting the opening round monkey off their back. I don’t expect Biggio to shut it down. That typically doesn’t happen, so it should be a fun series vs St. Louis. Go ahead and let me have it guys. I’ve bashed him so much over the years, but I’ve taken the time to do this because I care about the success of this team. I was wrong this time. I never believed Biggio had it in him to play like this in the playoffs. But he did. This crow tastes pretty damn good.
I said it in the game thread, but I'll say it again here: For Biggio to perform like he did tonight under these circumstances, nobody can EVER accuse him of not having heart or being a choker ever again. We have no idea what kind of emotions were swirling through his head tonight or how hard it was to play a game after his friend died. And to come through like he did tonight -- if he doesn't get that 2-out hit ... What a clutch performance.
All I know is the man has heart... good series by biggio.. glad to see him doing well.. I knew he had it in him, but didn't know if we'd ever see it he cared so much about the team that it was causing him to put to much stress on himself to do well in the playoffs and it created a snowball effect year after year..
Hope he and Bags get their ring. They deserve it. Then retire so we can build a team to compete for years to come. Beltran and Berkman are a good start for a competetive team. Won't do it with Bags on the books.
That was the best part about tonight for me....I just kept watching Bags and Biggio, because I felt so happy for them. They've given a lot to this franchise, and it was nice to see them finally break through in the postseason.
Eat all of it. And I mean A L L of it. Sick and tired of people who claim to be fans of certain teams who are always saying they are going to lose because of this or they are going to lose because of that. Enjoy it btw.
Craig Biggio is my favorite player in any professional or amateur franchise in the world, ever. I was at his first games, when I was 7 or 8. Now, I'm 24 and watching him finally succeed feels so damned good. Biggio plays the right way. He gets his jersey dirty. He plays whatever position his manager tells him to, no talking back. He's class on the field, class off the field. He'll steal a base, hit a homer, make a good play. He was a shoe-in MVP in 1998 - the only real choice - but wasn't given the award, quite frankly, because sports writers are all idiots. He didn't complain. Biggio is the perfect baseball player. Throw out the huge ego and steroids. Throw out sportscenter, the home run, and the big market obsession. What do you have left? Craig. He's a Baseball Player. Capital letters. One of the best evers. If the Hall of Fame won't take him, quite frankly...they don't deserve him.
Craig is a Hall Of Famer, but he's no legend either. He helped blow away the Braves, but it's not like he had a game winning shot. He was part of the process. I wanna know if he's got what it takes when things aren't going well. It's easy to do well right now, but what about the slumps? Will he go back into a playoff slump when the going gets tough? JBII won't call you out, but I will. Next level and then another in the ws.
Like I said to my father yesterday..... "These aren't my father's Houston Astros" This Astros team is rewriting history, just like the Rockets did 10 years ago. When a championship-caliber team has it's back against the wall, a championship-caliber team comes out swinging, firing haymakers, and leaving it all on the line. That is what we saw from the Astros last night, and I believe we are not through seeing it just yet. GEAUX STREAUXS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What an amazing performance by Craig and Bagwell. Absolutely a spectacular way to end the series. Did anyone else tear up a little when Bagwell and Biggio hugged during the postgame celebration on-field? Oh, and I am SO glad it was Chipper ****ing Pretty Boy Jones that made the last out. I wanted it to be a player that was there during all the years the Braves knocked us out. I loved that.
Is the going ever easy in the playoffs? What about the 3 run HR in game 4? What about the sliding catch he made last night? I want a World Championship, too. But get off the guy's back. He is certainly a legend. Maybe not nationally, but so what?. He is definetly a Houston Legend.
Jayson Stark has a great article on ESPN.com . http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2004/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=1899943 It is long but it is a great read. ATLANTA -- They don't know where this is leading. They don't even know who's pitching Wednesday. But for one night, it didn't matter to the Houston Astros what might await them over the horizon. This was a night to celebrate a poetic stop on an improbable journey down a 43-year-long highway. They ended the Atlanta Braves' season Monday night with a 12-3 thumping in Game 5 of a wild National League Division Series. But there was so much more to this story than that. Jeff Bagwell, left, finally knows what it feels like to win a playoff series. The Braves have lived too many nights like this. But for the Astros, there has never been a night like this. More than 15,000 nights in the life of the franchise, and none of them ended with grown men spritzing champagne after a postseason series that turned out right for a change. It took them four decades, eight trips to the playoffs and seven games -- spread out over a quarter-century -- where they had a chance to open that champagne if they won. But finally, on a drizzly Monday night in Atlanta, in a stadium where so many of their October adventures turned so ugly, the Houston Astros won themselves a series. And so, as the clock ticked toward midnight, the ultimate Astro, Jeff Bagwell, finally got to stand in one of those October locker rooms he'd watched so many other players stand in. It was worth the wait. All around him, Astros much younger than him were turning this room into a frat party. But Jeff Bagwell just stood in one corner, a towel over his shoulder, a champagne bottle in his right hand, and searched for the word that described this feeling best. "I guess the word is satisfaction," said Bagwell, a man who had lived, and led, through 13 previous Astros seasons -- seasons that didn't end this way. "It's a little bit of satisfaction, because this is what you play for. Fourteen years in this organization, and to finally get a chance to do this -- it's very satisfying." How did they ever get here? Think about that. Nine weeks ago, they were done. Finished. History. Thinking long and hard about whether to deal off a few veteran spare parts. When these Astros woke up on the morning of Aug. 15, they were four games under .500 and trailing six different teams in the wild-card race. Yeah, six. Including a Mets team the Astros would wind up beating by 21 games. This outfit was also tied with a seventh team, the Reds -- and lagging seven games behind a Cubs juggernaut that the world kept expecting to grab the postseason steering wheel. It was no formula for How To Win Your First Playoff Series Ever. That's for sure. "I've got to admit," said manager Phil Garner, on a night when the second-guessers were free to descend on the other clubhouse, "I was probably within a game or two of where I would have said (to the front office), 'I don't know if this is gonna work. I don't know if (making the playoffs) is a very likely scenario.' " Likely? Sheesh, the Devil Rays winning the AL East looked more likely than this. So how the heck did they ever get here? In the history of baseball, no team had ever trailed six teams, at that late a date on the calendar, and roared back to play a postseason game, let alone win a postseason series. But this team did. "I know one thing," chuckled Lance Berkman. "If you'd asked me, on Aug. 14, if I'd be standing here now, talking to you about this, I'd have said: 'Uh, I don't think so.' I thought I'd have been hunting or something." Instead, though, the only hunting these guys did was to hunt down the Phillies and Marlins and Padres. Then, on the final weekend of the season, they shot down the Cubs and Giants. And poof -- here they were. They could have ended this series in three games. They should have ended it in four, at the very least. But they blew an eighth-inning lead in Game 2 and blew a sixth-inning lead in Game 4. So somehow, even though that Braves team they were playing had led for only four innings all series, they found themselves in the sky Sunday night, flying through the blackness to await a Game 5 they didn't want to play. "Hey, we're the Astros," laughed Craig Biggio. "Once again, the Astros never do anything easy." Even this game -- which ended up as the most lopsided win-or-go-home postseason game since Game 7 of the 1985 World Series (Royals 11, Cardinals 0) -- was no day at Six Flags most of the way. Roy Oswalt, starting on three days' rest for the second time in his career, hit the wall at 90 pitches, served up two gopherballs to his final six hitters and barely made it through the fifth inning. A 3-0 Astros lead had shrunk to 3-2 when Oswalt left. And 54,068 stoked occupants of Turner Field thought they smelled a replay of Sunday's stunning meltdown by the shaky Houston bullpen. Au contrair. This time, off to the rescue rode Carlos Beltran -- whose acquisition in June was intended as a management manifesto on just how critical a season this was in the life of the franchise. Beltran had already homered three times in this series and once in this game when he stepped to the plate to lead off the sixth. Then he skipped Jaret Wright's fifth pitch of the inning off the top of the right-field fence for maybe the most pivotal homer in Astros history. And this game was never the same. "That was such a big home run," Biggio said. "They'd just narrowed the score to 3-2. The crowd was back into it. You've got like 52,000 on their feet. And then the first guy comes up there the next inning and hits one out? Wow. I wouldn't say he crushed it. But just far enough." Yeah, exactly like his team. Just far enough. After that, the storylines seemed to fall together perfectly, like the final chapter of an epic novel. There was Biggio -- a .130 hitter in his postseason career before this year -- smoking a two-out, two-strike RBI single in the seventh to widen the lead to 5-2. Biggio's six hits in the last two games were one fewer than he'd had in his entire postseason career before this year (7 for 54). And two hitters later, there was Bagwell -- .174 with zero homers in 14 postseason games before this October -- pounding his second home run of this series into the left-field bleachers, to make it 8-2. Biggio and Bagwell. They got as many hits (15) just in this series as they'd gotten in their four previous trips to October combined. They were 15-for-100, with no homers and five RBI, in all those other years. They went 15-for-42, with three homers and nine RBI, against the Braves. Biggio and Bagwell. Playing with an ache in their heart on the night after their friend and former teammate, Ken Caminiti, died of a heart attack in a Bronx hotel hundreds of miles away. Biggio and Bagwell. For all those years, they were painted as the symbols of the Astros' October heartbreaks. But Monday, they were finally the symbols of a different kind of October story. Asked if he felt a sense of relief in that, Biggio replied: "I don't know if relief is the right word. It's just a great feeling. This is not a two-man show here. It's a team. That's the feeling. It's just a tremendous feeling to be part of a true team. And that's what we are." "What happened in the past -- that's obviously something people made a big deal about," Bagwell said, "and rightfully so. We didn't win, and Craig and I didn't hit. Now we've gone somewhere we've never gone, and Craig and I did hit. But around here, it's not about two guys. It's about 25 guys. This has been the biggest team effort I've ever been a part of." It could never have happened, obviously, without Beltran, with his 23 homers in 70 games. And his 28 stolen bases in 28 tries. And his top-of-the-line defense in center. And his grand Division Series finale, in which he joined Yogi Berra, Jim Thome, Jason Giambi and Troy O'Leary as the only men in history to have a multihomer game in a win-or-go-home postseason game. It could never have happened without Berkman or Jeff Kent, either, of course. Or the catcher who prepares like a manager, Brad Ausmus. It could never have happened if young arms like Brandon Backe and Chad Qualls hadn't dropped out of the sky to plug holes in an injury-ravaged pitching staff. It could never have happened if Jose Vizcaino hadn't risen up to become a professional everyday shortstop down the stretch after Adam Everett fractured his ulna bone. And clearly, it could never have happened if Andy Pettitte hadn't signed up last winter -- and Roger Clemens hadn't found the whole darned scene so enticing that he couldn't stay retired for 30 seconds. And finally, it never, ever, ever could have happened if Garner hadn't taken a surprising July call on his cell phone in the middle of his granddaughter's birthday party -- and decided he wouldn't mind taking a shot at managing this crew. "I don't know what I'd have said," Garner said Monday, "if they'd told me when they called me that, 'Hey, you're going have a bunch of injuries.' And if they'd said, 'Oh by the way, Andy Pettitte -- you won't have him anymore. And Wade Miller -- you won't have him, either. And oh by the way, you know your starting shortstop? You're not going to have him the last six weeks.' "If they'd told me all that when they offered me the job," Garner confessed, "I might have said, 'You know, this might not be such a good idea.' " But in the end, all of that craziness just made Monday that much cooler -- because this team somehow went from No Way to Find A Way, against all odds, all logic, all semblance of common sense. "You know," Garner said, "there are two things about veterans -- one good and one that can be bad. One is, you don't have to teach them how to play. But two is, they understand reality. So when you've got six clubs you've got to climb over in the middle of August and you're not playing real good, I could give all the Knute Rockne speeches in the world. And they've all been there, done that, so they know the real deal. "But every one of our veterans kept playing, and wouldn't slow up -- not even an inch. Every one of them, to a man, locked in and played good. And they took the young kids with them and showed real leadership. And what you see here is the result of that." What you see here is actually one of the most amazing and miraculous comeback stories in the history of the whole sport. So it's time we all took a day to ruminate on that and realize what we've just seen here. Yeah, the Cardinals are lurking around the corner. And yeah, it could be days before the Astros sort out their pitching and get Clemens and Oswalt back on the mound. And yeah, there's no guarantee this incredible tale will have a happy ending. But for one night, that didn't matter to the Houston Astros -- a team that wasn't ready Monday to start thinking about those 105-game winners from St. Louis. "The Cardinals," Garner yelped, when someone asked him about his plans for the next round. "Now why'd you have to hit me with that tonight? Let me drink some more champagne. Then I'll worry about the Cardinals. But tonight, let's enjoy what we just did."
My feelings are a lot like Haven's. Such satisfaction watching Biggio get big two-out hits on Sunday and last night. He's been moved all around the field and never complained....and taken a ton of heat for not being a good outfielder when he was groomed as a cathcher and spent most of his career at 2nd. Nevertheless...he made a great play last night. He had big hits in this series. And he was a huge part of this team that came back and made this season interesting. He's had an unbelievable career tainted by a handful of ABs in a handful of playoff games. That is no longer.
so criticizing players, or not being totally sure your favorite team will win makes someone not as good a fan?
no, it doesn't. but the criticism of these guys went deeper than this. questioning their character...their heart. went far beyond that.