Oh dont get me wrong. I agree this is an act of terrorism but I would say that 80% of America would think this is just a looney crazy person that chose the wrong road in life. I agree with your post 100%
I'm glad she seems like she'll pull through. This morning (it's morning here!), I want you to think about how different this thread would be if the man was nominally a Muslim. Just visualize it in your head.
Did you read the thread? Apparently not. Just visualize the posts before yours in your head...before you post. Then you sound less stupid.
Why even bring this up? And to answer your question it wouldn't make a difference if he was black, muslin, gay, or white. Everyone here gets the same judicial treatment unlike some country we shall not speak of.
Mistreated because of your race? I didn't think so. You don't like it here you can gtfo. Ima laugh when ayatollah puts a stick up your ass for being on the Internet for more then an hour and that is if you get an connection. And oh yeah thanks for the rep.
1. I never repped you. 2. Yes racism still exist in America, believe it or not. Low birth weight of African America women, Job discrimination amongst African American men, Islam preaches violence...All racism buddy. But apparently you go to DeVry so you wouldn't understand. 3. Good try with the racist joke but I'm not even Muslim. 4. I bet you wouldnt say any of this to me in person. Continue being big guy behind a computer screen, it will still get you nowhere in life.
Your the one that doesn't understand. You think it's better in any other country. Try living in a Muslim country. This just something happened recently http://m.youtube.com/index?client=m...S#/menugrid#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=7HVWeVhTPcc I bet I do.
In Gabrielle Giffords shooting, many on left quick to lay blame Commentators on the Gabrielle Giffords shooting cite 'tea party' rhetoric and inflammatory speech, sparking a fierce online debate. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...fords-shooting-media-20110109,0,1330254.story By Matea Gold, Washington Bureau 8:29 PM PST, January 8, 2011 Reporting from Washington Advertisement Law enforcement officials had only begun their examination of a Tucson supermarket scene where Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and 17 others were shot Saturday when many on the political left settled on a culprit: overheated political rhetoric. Even before the name of the shooter was known, a fierce debate spilled out across blogs and social media, with liberal commentators blaming the attack on the violent imagery evoked by some "tea party" candidates and conservatives during the recent midterm elections. They noted that Giffords' tea party-backed opponent, Jesse Kelly, held a fundraiser at a shooting range in which he invited supporters to "help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office" by shooting an M-16 rifle with him. They pointed to an online map Sarah Palin posted during the midterm election that used cross hairs to mark each congressional Democrat she wanted to defeat, along with her frequent use of shooting metaphors on the campaign trail. "You cannot flippantly talk about 'reloading' and putting people on your TARGET list and not expect some nut to take you literally," read one typical comment posted to Palin's Facebook page Saturday. "This is on you partially whether you like it or not." "Leave it to the liberals to expect one person to be held accountable for the individual actions of every person who hears them," shot back another. "It's representative of the liberal nanny state dream come true!" In a post on her Facebook page, Palin did not address the past language she has used, but offered her condolences to the victims. "On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice," she wrote. "I've been reading the instant reaction on Twitter and on the Web and I've been trying to filter out the urge to vent my rage at those who immediately shoe-horned these awful crimes into their ideological prism," Jonah Goldberg wrote on the website of the National Review. "There have been some truly disgusting displays of opportunism out there." The attack in Tucson punctuated what has been a particularly brutish season in American politics, especially the uproar over the passage of the healthcare overhaul last year. Last March, after Giffords voted for the bill, the glass door of her Tucson congressional office was smashed in the middle of the night. "The rhetoric is incredibly heated — not just the calls, but the e-mails, the slurs," Giffords said on MSNBC a few days later. "Things have really got spun up." Thomas Hollihan, who teaches classes on political rhetoric at USC, said people on the political fringe "get affected by a kind of toxic political culture that makes them angry and paranoid that their government is being taken away." But he cautioned against coming to any conclusions about the motivations of the shooter in Tucson. "People who commit crimes like this are often just unhinged," he said. Indeed, the information that trickled out Saturday about the man arrested for the shooting, 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner, did not suggest he had a clear political motivation. Still, Saturday's shooting set off an eruption of anger at the tea party, Arizona's permissive gun laws and conservative media pundits. "There's an aura of hate, and elected politicians feed it; certain people on Fox News feed it," Rep. Bill Pascrell Jr., a Democrat from New Jersey, told the Record newspaper in Bergen. Former Democratic Sen. Gary Hart said inflammatory speech — such as references to political opponents as "enemies" that need to be "eliminated" — leads to the kind of violence that occurred in Tucson. "We all know that there are unstable and potentially dangerous people among us," he wrote on the Huffington Post. "To repeatedly appeal to their basest instincts is to invite and welcome their predictable violence." When asked by the New York Post whether his daughter had any enemies, Giffords' father, through tears, responded: "Yeah, the whole tea party." By Saturday evening, tea party leaders had taken pains to distance themselves from the attack. "Spirited debate is desirable in our country, but it only should be the clash of ideas," Amy Kremer, chairwoman of the Sacramento-based Tea Party Express, said in a statement. "An attack on anyone for political purposes, if that was a factor in this shooting, is an attack on the democratic process. We join with everyone in vociferously condemning it."
Mystery surrounds suspect in rampage Jared Lee Loughner, 22, posted YouTube videos that offer rambling texts on mind control, currency, the Constitution and English grammar. By Scott Kraft and Mark Porubcansky, Los Angeles Times http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...ed-loughner-shooting-20110108,0,6783566.story Reporting from Los Angeles and Tucson — Until Saturday morning, Jared Lee Loughner was a sometime community college student who had attended high school in northwest Tucson, lived with his parents there in a quiet, working-class neighborhood of ranch homes and had recently posted several rambling messages on YouTube. Now, the 22-year-old is in police custody, the chief suspect in a shooting rampage 10 minutes from his house that left six dead and 12 wounded, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), the apparent target of the attack, who remained in critical condition. Late Saturday, though, authorities still were wrestling with a central mystery in the case: Did the suspect in the attack have a clear political agenda? Or is he a mentally unbalanced young man, perhaps spurred to action by what the sheriff called "the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths" in this country "about tearing down the government." Pima County Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik said the suspect, whom law enforcement officials privately identified as Loughner, had "a troubled past" and had come to the attention of the police because of his behavior while a student at Pima County Community College. The sheriff did not specify the nature of that behavior. "There's reason to believe that this individual may have a mental issue, and people who are unbalanced are especially susceptible to vitriol," Dupnik said. Loughner had remained mostly silent during a day of questioning, the sheriff said. Authorities said he had purchased the Glock semiautomatic pistol used in the shootings recently. The sheriff added that "we are not convinced that he acted alone." A white male in his 50s who was seen at the scene of the crime was "a person of interest" in the case and was still being sought, Dupnik said. Part of the mystery about Loughner's possible motive stems from five messages he posted in a slide presentation on YouTube in recent weeks. In the videos, which displayed typewritten messages, he covers a seemingly random range of topics, including a proposal for a new world currency and references to the number of illiterate people in "District 8," which is his congressional district and the one represented by Giffords. One message apparently posted within the last two weeks was labeled "My Final Thoughts: Jared Lee Loughner!" In the disjointed missive, he talked about the definition of terrorism and the U.S. Constitution. "You don't have to accept the federalist laws," he writes at one point in the video. "Nonetheless, read the United States of America's Constitution to apprehend all of the current treasonous laws." The same video also says that he "can't trust the current government because of the ratifications: The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar." He concludes with: "No! I won't pay debt with a currency that's not backed by gold and silver! No! I won't trust in God!" Mark Kalish, a forensic psychiatrist and assistant clinical professor at UC San Diego, said the writings had the hallmarks of mental illness and suggested that the shooting was probably premeditated and an act of delusion. "It's got these paranoid elements," said Kalish, who said it appeared that the writer of those words suffered from schizophrenia. "There's a conspiratorial flavor to it," he added. "It is nonsensical but it's psychotic." On the YouTube slides, Loughner describes himself in the third person as "a United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix," a reference to the Military Entrance Processing Station there. CNN reported late Saturday that Loughner had applied for the military but been rejected. By Saturday night, police had cordoned off the working-class neighborhood of SUVs and pickups where Loughner lived with his parents. The 1980s-vintage homes are well-kept; many have gravel front yards, some planted with palm trees. "Every time I saw him he was by himself," said Bert Escovar, 71, a neighbor who frequently saw Loughner but had never spoken with him. Another neighbor, David Cook, said the family seemed friendly and often waved hello when they drove past on the street. He said Loughner's father rebuilt classic cars and owned a 1967 Chevelle he had restored. On his MySpace page, Loughner said he had attended elementary school and middle school in Tucson before he went to Mountain View High School. Since graduating, he said, he had attended Northwest Aztec Middle College and Pima Community College. He described his "favorite interest" as reading and said he had studied grammar and "conscience dreams." Among the books he listed among his favorites were "Animal Farm" "The Wizard of Oz," "Gulliver's Travels," "Mein Kampf" and Plato's "Meno." Tyler Ramsier, 24, who attended high school with Loughner at Mountain View, said Loughner and a group of friends often wore trench coats and baggy pants. Ramsier said the group, which he described as "contrary," mostly kept to themselves. In his high school yearbook photo, Loughner has a shaggy head of curly hair. But a smiling Loughner, with closely cropped hair, appeared in a photo taken more recently by a local newspaper. In that photograph, Loughner is identified by name as a volunteer at the Tucson Festival of Books, where he's shown manning a giant crossword puzzle for passersby. scott.kraft@latimes.com mark.porubcansky@latimes.com Times staff writer Sam Quinones contributed to this report from Tucson; Lisa Girion, Rick Rojas and Rong-Gong Lin II from Los Angeles; and Richard A. Serrano from Washington.
So many thoughts are going through my mind that I can't find a way to make a coherent post on this topic. First, prayers to all the families of the victims. Certain politicians will tell you that " the illegals" are crossing the borders to overflow Arizona's streets with crime; yet here we have a guy named Jared pulling off such a cowardly act.
Sadly that sounds like a lot of the tea party people in the media. With there talk of government takeover of health care, death panels, second amendment remedies to elections they don't like, claiming income taxes are theft, that Obama is building concentration camps, that Obama is a Muslim set on destroying America, that Obama isn't Muslim etc. It sounds like Kalish is describing all those people. "There's a conspiratorial flavor to it. It is nonsensical but it's psychotic."
Any attempt to turn this tragedy into an orgy of tea party/palin/beck bashing is going to fail miserably and play right into the hands of the GOP. Let's focus on the corporate Republican agenda, instead, and not on the actions of one psycho.
