The tea party has connotations with patriotism by invoking, of course, the Boston Tea Party. Coffee Party sounds like a bad joke. They use it as saying, we need a wake up call. Both parties have broken down the process of government where they cannot get anything done. They aren't representing us and our needs as a country when they are just playing a zero-sum game. One party wins, the other party loses. Therefore, the Coffee Party wants to give us a wake-up call about getting back to serving the country rather than a broken down process. That is their message. They *could* pull this off. The name is kind of stupid, but how else can you get attention as a movement now that the tea partiers are already in place. The tea party has already affiliated itself with the Republican party, they were a sham all along. The coffee party wants more parties than two. I agree that the process is broken. That much is true. Take a look at their Facebook fan page, "Join the Coffee Party."
Honestly though, I don't think this is going to live. When hearing about a Coffee Party, people who are already tired of the tea party will automatically dismiss it as just another bunch of loonies. A poll showed that the tea party itself isn't really that popular. People don't even know what it stands for. They took this poll when the Tea Party convention happened. BUT, the tea party movement has a lot of influence... with their anger and therefore they will fund any republican nominee that goes hard right, therefore all the current Republicans must go hard right. That is their influence, but they are not popular by themselves. The coffee party's weakness may be that it sounds like an answer to the tea party. The people who don't like the tea party in first place will not want another party that sounds similar.
Definition of awesome post. "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Jugdish again."
you found racist images on teh interwebs?!? i have no doubt there are racists in the tea party, just as i have no doubt that there are racists, anti-semite, misogynists, and homophobes on the roles of move-on, the democratic party, within the kossacks, and msnbc. there's also a substantial astroturfing campaign being run by the democrats against the tea party. just because you "know" something to be true, don't make it so. the tea party is largly drivien by concerns about spending and an overbearing, over-extended federal government. they may many other things as well. one thing they are most definitely NOT concerned with is social issues.
from a friend -- we're all going to meet at the coffee shop. The meeting must adhere to the following conditions: 1) no one may speak in tones louder than the average NPR announcer 2) every declarative statement must have the inflection of a question 3) after this meeting, we must never meet again. :grin:
I wonder, The Coffee Party is already going to be dumb and will not be important. However, 1) Does the mere existence of the Coffee Party make the Tea Party look dumber: as in, wackos on the right, and wackos on the left. In other words, the stupidity of the Coffee Party, paints our perspective of the opposite end. OR, 2) Does the futility of the Coffee Party make the tea party look powerful and more legit? I actually believe the first option. Like I said earlier, the Tea Party isn't popular amongst the American people, but it is powerful. When it comes to swaying independents, the death of the Coffee Party isn't going to change views about the Tea. But I do think it solidifies the Tea Party as the right-wing wackos as opposed to the Coffee Party left-wing wackos. Whereas, many independents were still trying to figure out what the Tea Party stands for, now the Tea Party is being defined as the opposite of a wacko party. No need to say, everyone already knew the tea partiers were wackos, I know I'll get those replies. I'm asking about the independents who were still trying to figure out the Tea Party statement away from the nazi, racist, social conservatism etc. viewpoints. Because the Tea Party was supposed to be no debt, no taxes. Then it started getting racist messages, and adding Sarah Palin made it have social conservatism, terrorism viewpoints... the message became diluted to the point that it is just the Republican Party all along. Therefore the Coffee Party's stupidity makes the Tea Party even stupider. Strange huh?
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Michael Baron draws some interesting parallels between 1968 and 2009. [rquoter]Tea party brings energy, change and tumult to GOP By: MICHAEL BARONE Senior Political Analyst March 14, 2010 The political commentariat doesn't know what to make of those thousands of Americans who have spontaneously thronged to tea parties and town hall meetings to oppose the big government programs of the Obama administration and Democratic congressional leaders. Some on the Left attack them as fascists or racists, though evidence of that is sorely lacking. David Brooks in the New York Times compared them with the New Left campus radicals of the 1970s, which comes closer to reality but doesn't quite ring true. Some tea partiers, citing the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, compare themselves with the patriots of 1776 and the founders of 1787, which has some validity but seems overly self-congratulatory. In terms of their immediate effect on conventional politics and their potential for continued influence, I think the tea partiers bear an uncanny resemblance to the antiwar activists in the Vietnam War period. Like the tea partiers, the antiwar folk did not start off affiliated with one political party. They campaigned against an incumbent Democratic president and his political heir in 1968. Four years later some supported Rep. Pete McCloskey's antiwar primary challenge to Richard Nixon. The tea partiers have plenty of corrosive things to say about the Republican politicians of the last decade and at least some of them may support like-minded Democrats. But if they stay involved, the tea partiers are likely to gravitate to the Republican Party, just as the antiwar folk gravitated to the Democratic Party, on which they had a long-lasting and pervasive effect. Not all of that effect was positive. Antiwar Democrats beat hawks in primaries and then lost general elections to Republicans. The disarray of the 1968 Democratic National Convention helped beat Hubert Humphrey, and the antiwar 1972 nominee George McGovern lost 49 states. Some antiwar folks voiced an anti-Americanism that turned off ordinary voters. But antiwar Democrats supplied energy and impressive recruits to their party. Many Democrats who were motivated by dovish views and supported by dovish volunteers and contributors won breakthrough victories in 1974 elections, enabling the party to hold congressional and legislative majorities for much of the next 20 years. And even as Democrats lost support from white Southerners and blue-collar men, their antiwar tendency helped them win support from affluent and culturally liberal suburbanites who now, despite Democrats' workingman rhetoric, form the dominant part of the party base. You can see the intellectual influence of the antiwar people in the speeches of Democrats opposing the conflicts in the Gulf in 1991 and Iraq in 2002. Their arguments are a better fit for the facts of the Gulf of Tonkin incident of 1964 than for the facts on the ground in 1991 and 2002. Like the antiwar activists of 40 years ago, the tea partiers include many good citizens moved to political involvement because of intellectually serious concerns about public policy. Similarly, they include a much smaller number of cranks, conspiracy theorists and congenital malcontents. Tea partiers have caused some internal party splits (see the New York District 23 special election) and some may launch primary challenges or third-party efforts that will elect Democrats. Any time a large number of motivated people inject themselves into electoral politics, they cause a certain amount of chaos. They also add a lot of energy, political creativity and enthusiasm into a moribund and dejected political party, like the Democrats of 1968 and the Republicans of 2008. New people change the positions and focus of their parties. The Democrats before 1968 were a pro-Cold War party. Since 1968 they have been, with occasional exceptions, a dovish party. Hawks need not apply (ask Joe Lieberman). The Republicans for the last two decades have been a party whose litmus tests have been cultural issues, especially abortion. The tea partiers have helped to change their focus to issues of government overreach and spending. That may be a helpful pivot, given the emergence of a millennial generation uncomfortable with crusading cultural conservatism. It's not clear whether the tea partiers' influence on Republicans will last as long as the antiwar cohort's imprint on Democrats. But their concern -- the fact that government spending is on a trajectory to increase far beyond revenues -- seems likely to persist. In which case a spontaneous movement that no one predicted and that no one person led could end up, again, reshaping one of our great political parties. Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...and-tumult-to-GOP-87511912.html#ixzz0iBMbsu70[/rquoter]
What a typical liberal move.... What a copy cat, crybaby, idea.....do liberals ever have any original ideas? Basically if you are a true American who believes in individual freedoms to make your own decisions(good or bad) about your life then you probably support the tea party... If you like big government and are a liberal elitist then you are drinking coffee... Last I heard the meeting had less then 30 people show up, most of which were interested tea party members and actual coffe shop patrons...
Unless you're ultra-conservative, you're not a "true American". I love people who have this sentiment.
jesus christ it's annoying how big of a d!ck-sucking republican shill you are. the next time you post anything that even resembles a free thought not completely parroted by some garbage right wing rag/media w**** will be your first.
don't black folx like coffee? from AOL's report: [rquoter]Gender and Racial Breakdown: The crowds at the four events our correspondents attended were predominately white and roughly 60 percent male. [/rquoter]
From roughly 100 people in Bethalto IL, Corvallis OR, Omaha NE, and Orlando, FL. Orlando is the only town with black people in it.
basso's interest in this topic is hard to explain, since it doesn't even have the word Obama anywhere to be seen.
