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Clarence Thomas

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  1. SamFisher

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    Years after the fact, most subsequent evidence seems to exonerate Hill and implicate Thomas, particularly David Brock ("The Real Anita Hill) the reformed former right wing character assassin.
     
  2. basso

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    could you provide an example?
     
  3. mc mark

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    From today's NYTs --

    The Smear This Time

    By ANITA HILL
    Published: October 2, 2007
    Waltham, Mass.


    ON Oct. 11, 1991, I testified about my experience as an employee of Clarence Thomas’s at the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

    I stand by my testimony.

    Justice Thomas has every right to present himself as he wishes in his new memoir, “My Grandfather’s Son.” He may even be entitled to feel abused by the confirmation process that led to his appointment to the Supreme Court.

    But I will not stand by silently and allow him, in his anger, to reinvent me.

    In the portion of his book that addresses my role in the Senate hearings into his nomination, Justice Thomas offers a litany of unsubstantiated representations and outright smears that Republican senators made about me when I testified before the Judiciary Committee — that I was a “combative left-winger” who was “touchy” and prone to overreacting to “slights.” A number of independent authors have shown those attacks to be baseless. What’s more, their reports draw on the experiences of others who were familiar with Mr. Thomas’s behavior, and who came forward after the hearings. It’s no longer my word against his.

    Justice Thomas’s characterization of me is also hobbled by blatant inconsistencies. He claims, for instance, that I was a mediocre employee who had a job in the federal government only because he had “given it” to me. He ignores the reality: I was fully qualified to work in the government, having graduated from Yale Law School (his alma mater, which he calls one of the finest in the country), and passed the District of Columbia Bar exam, one of the toughest in the nation.

    In 1981, when Mr. Thomas approached me about working for him, I was an associate in good standing at a Washington law firm. In 1991, the partner in charge of associate development informed Mr. Thomas’s mentor, Senator John Danforth of Missouri, that any assertions to the contrary were untrue. Yet, Mr. Thomas insists that I was “asked to leave” the firm.

    It’s worth noting, too, that Mr. Thomas hired me not once, but twice while he was in the Reagan administration — first at the Department of Education and then at the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. After two years of working directly for him, I left Washington and returned home to Oklahoma to begin my teaching career.

    In a particularly nasty blow, Justice Thomas attacked my religious conviction, telling “60 Minutes” this weekend, “She was not the demure, religious, conservative person that they portrayed.” Perhaps he conveniently forgot that he wrote a letter of recommendation for me to work at the law school at Oral Roberts University, in Tulsa. I remained at that evangelical Christian university for three years, until the law school was sold to Liberty University, in Lynchburg, Va., another Christian college. Along with other faculty members, I was asked to consider a position there, but I decided to remain near my family in Oklahoma.

    Regrettably, since 1991, I have repeatedly seen this kind of character attack on women and men who complain of harassment and discrimination in the workplace. In efforts to assail their accusers’ credibility, detractors routinely diminish people’s professional contributions. Often the accused is a supervisor, in a position to describe the complaining employee’s work as “mediocre” or the employee as incompetent. Those accused of inappropriate behavior also often portray the individuals who complain as bizarre caricatures of themselves — oversensitive, even fanatical, and often immoral — even though they enjoy good and productive working relationships with their colleagues.

    Finally, when attacks on the accusers’ credibility fail, those accused of workplace improprieties downgrade the level of harm that may have occurred. When sensing that others will believe their accusers’ versions of events, individuals confronted with their own bad behavior try to reduce legitimate concerns to the level of mere words or “slights” that should be dismissed without discussion.

    Fortunately, we have made progress since 1991. Today, when employees complain of abuse in the workplace, investigators and judges are more likely to examine all the evidence and less likely to simply accept as true the word of those in power. But that could change. Our legal system will suffer if a sitting justice’s vitriolic pursuit of personal vindication discourages others from standing up for their rights.

    The question of whether Clarence Thomas belongs on the Supreme Court is no longer on the table — it was settled by the Senate back in 1991. But questions remain about how we will resolve the kinds of issues my testimony exposed. My belief is that in the past 16 years we have come closer to making the resolution of these issues an honest search for the truth, which, after all, is at the core of all legal inquiry. My hope is that Justice Thomas’s latest fusillade will not divert us from that path.

    Anita Hill, a professor of social policy, law and women’s studies at Brandeis University, is a visiting scholar at the Newhouse Center for the Humanities at Wellesley College.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/o...Times Topics/People/H/Hill, Anita&oref=slogin
     
  4. SamFisher

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    US v. Lopez, 514 U.S. 549 (1995).

    incoherent...and anybody who claims otherwise is seeing something that just isn't there.

    But anyway, I'm sure you're not aware of this, but most of Thomas' jurisprudence consist of opinion-less joining of whatever Scalia says.

    If opinion writing is any gauge he is one of the least productive justices in modern history.
     
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  5. basso

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    care to specify what, exactly, is incoherent in the opinion you cite?
     
  6. SamFisher

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    You wouldn't understand, (well, nobody would, that's why it's incoherent) so no, I won't.

    Figure it out yourself.

    KTHXBYE
     
  7. geeimsobored

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    Sure there are plenty of problems. I actually agreed with the court's decision in Lopez. Congress didn't even try to justify how regulating gun possession around schools substantially affected interstate commerce so I definitely didn't have a problem with the court's ruling.

    But Thomas's opinion is just dumb. He argued that not only was the gun free school zones act (or whatever it was called) unconstitutional but the substantial effects test itself was illegal. If you don't know, that test essentially stated that a policy must substantially affect interstate commerce in order to be justified under the commerce clause. (US v. Morrison later amended that to say that the item being regulated must be economic in nature, but that's not particularly important)

    But his justification for rejecting the substantial effects test was just stupid. In essence, all he said was that the substantial effects test is arbitrary and the courts have had a history of letting anything slide. Well, I'm not sure why that matters. Courts have historically had different interpretations of law. So your answer is "just get rid of it" because you disagreed with past interpretations?

    oh and he says this

    I'm no lawyer or law student but that paragraph doesn't even make sense. That's not even the substantial effects test. Aggregation can still be ruled unconstitutional if the aggregate of activities doesn't affect interstate commerce. Even if we banned all weapons, that would be struck down because a weapon ban around schools still doesn't effect commerce. The logic of the Lopez case would still strike down this theoretical weapon ban. Also, the court could just strike down portions of the ban that are unconstitutional. Seriously, this is absolutely laughable.

    Also, he doesn't answer the question of what would happen if we actually did what he proposed. Oh wait, I suppose environmental laws become unconstitutional because those directly aren't interstate commerce. the only reason those are legal is because they "substantially affect interstate commerce" In fact, much of the legal basis for most federal legislation collapses under his conception of the commerce clause.

    I could probably waste more time and pick apart his opinion. But its dumb dumb dumb and an insult to anyone's intelligence who tries to decipher that nonsense.
     
  8. B-Bob

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    From bizarre appendix GG:

    He typed several lines of roll eyes and used different font colors, also.
     
  9. basso

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    much as i expected. thanks for this.
     

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