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i'm not even going to begin to get into the differences between a church and a bar, outlaw. do you revere bars as sacred?? do you go there to carry out worship and to participate in the sacraments of your Creator?? i'm guessing not. while I certainly don't doubt that you find comfort there, i would hesitate to make a comparison between a church and a gay bar. a church is more than a place of solace and comfort to a Chrisitian. I'm guessing a Jew would say the same about a Temple and Muslim would say the same about a Mosque. certainly you could stretch and try to make that comparison (and i'm certain you probably will in your next reply!).

if you went to my church and handed out gay literature i'm not sure how we'd respond. we might ask you to leave...we might have you removed. seems to me those are options a privately-owned bar has as well when those pesky christian teenagers show up.

i just find it curious that you're that disturbed by the thoughts of teenagers. i work with my youth group at church and while there are some great kids there, i don't let their insensitivity get to me. they're ultimately just kids. as annoying as they might be to you, i doubt quite seriously that they mean you any harm...or that they threaten you in any way. i'm not trying to put some sort of psychological spin on it, but it makes you wonder what is at the core of your beliefs about this if a group of kids make you that uncomfortable about it.

moreover...if i were you and didn't want to hear what they had to say, i'd merely walk right by them and enjoy the establishment. all the passing out of gay literature outside the doors of my church would not keep me from going in to worship God.

 

Yeah, big difference. Everyone has a sexual aspect of their person. Are you saying that everyone is a repressed Christian?

 

Sacred or not, the point is that both are places of sanctuary for people from the outside world.

again, why should you have to be inconvenienced? can't they just have some respect and leave us alone?

in 1991 a bunch of high school "kids" beat a man to death just for being gay after he had left the same bar. so you'll have to excuse me for being a little cautious. Honestly I don't give a damn what these kids think about homosexuality. how they act on those thoughts is what concerns me.

which is exactly what i did, but i shouldn't have to endure that in the first place.

 

And telemarketers are paid to sell their product. Both can be extremely annoying and "inconvenient".

 

theres a time and place for everything. obviously a drunk person out of a bar won't really care to hear what religion has to say so he's wasting his time however is it really that evil to share with others what one perceives as the truth?

 

Actually, there are two creation stories in genesis. In one, man is made first. This story probably dates back to about 800-1000BC. In the other, man is created last. This probably was created later, between 450-600BC I believe, after religion had been formalized to a greater extent.

The completely contradictory creation-myths in Gensesis are yet another reason why literal fundamentalists are absolute idiots.

 

if that so-called truth includes the belief that someone is going to hell for loving somebody, then yes I would consider that evil.

 

Overreact much Clutch?

I've been fishing all day, so I'm suffering from blindness and a dehydration headache... but I don't see why you'd compare someone that apparently has pent up hostility about the dominant faith in our culture and how it ties in with his sexual orientation, with a terrorist... particularly after the last person to bring the term "fatwah" to our awareness (or at least to mine) apparently killed 6,000+ of us.

If you were just joking... in a thread in which many people are telling jokes, I apologize in advance for overreacting.

I personally would think that outlaw would get tired of having patronizing arrogant little brats at the wise old age of 14 or so telling him how to live his life.

I also think that this quote:

is both arrogant and naive. That's fine. RichRocket is representin'. I don't disagree with RichRocket for posting what he believes. However, I do hope that the people that cry about bias against Christians... you know, white males in the Bible Belt, will stop playing wounded hero when they read something they deem arrogant or inflammatory. For example, a quote such as "Yes, in my world view every human being is just a repressed atheist until they get a clue" would get hammered on this site. That's fine, but it uses in fact, the exact same tone as Rich's quote.

Are the people in the dominant religion, you know the religion that pervades our schools, our courts, our money, our fly fishing shops, our grocery stores, are those people really being treated unfairly? Somehow I doubt it.

 

outlaw -- fair enough...i'm sorry that it bothers you. and i think it's absolutely awful that some idiots have forced you to be fearful of your life. that's unacceptable to me.

haven -- you're mixing "genesis" stories...different cultures have adopted the genesis story in different ways. the hebrew genesis story is the same as it always was...God created man last.

 

MadMax:

Nope, you need to read it again, then. I'm referring to the Bible in the NRSV and King James editions. I'm taking a Intro to Christian theology course, and it's readily apparent. There are clearly two myths.

Sorry, dude. Read it. I'll bring out chapter breakdowns if you still don't see it.

Even early Christian scholars acknowledge this. There have been attempts to rationalize it, but pretty pitifully.

In the first creation story (created later, included first), God creates man in the entire "7 days 7 nights" thing. In the 2nd, God creates man out of clay... and then the animals later.

It's really impossible to dispute this.

 

Haven is correct. There are two creation stories in Genesis.

In the first ceation myth, man and woman are created after the fish and animals of the sea and land.

In the second creation myth, God created man, then in an attempt to give man a partner, began creating the animals of the world, until finally he took a rib and made woman.

There have been numerous attempts to rationalize the existense of two creation myths in the context of a literal reading of the Bible, but I have yet to see one which even begins to be convincing.

 

"Evil" is merely the absence of good.

Also, RR, one of the major causes of the creation of the Islamic religion was the repression of Christians and Jews against that specific culture and people.

 

Ding ding ding ding...the most ignorant thing (all my posts excluded) ever posted on this site...I guess it's a good thing it was done by its owner.

 

Umm, what he said was a joke. How ignorant is it to think Clutch thinks outlaw really wants to kill all Christians? Are you just upset because your precious little Packers (I didn't know you were from Wisconsin) lost? Good thing you inserted the disclaimer "all my posts excluded" in that last post.

I'll never understand why people feel so threatened by Christians. Try to start a post about how you get tired of all the homeless people panhandling you for change, and get blasted....but putting down someone for trying to help you by turning you on to God is totally acceptable, apparently.

I wonder if these were the same kids that were preaching Christianity to you outside the bar?

 

Rich, thanks for answering the question I posed. I definitely know where you are coming from now. Do I agree with it? No, but I understand.

Definitely one of the things which has turned me off from religion: Live the way we say, believe in this, or you are damned. Or a lost soul, if you want to be more pc.

So narrow-minded, bullish, convenient, and comforting.

 

yeah it was a joke, just an extremely tasteless one.

your favorite kind though, no? (smiley face)

 

did i say they were? MadMax was saying that kids in general are harmless, which is obviously not the case.