Broward county just said that they were going to start counting Pregnant Chads, starting now. So for the first couple thousands votes they DID NOT count them, but now they are? WHy the change? Possibly to get Gore more votes? How is it fair to the people in Broward that already had their vote counted the old way? They arent starting over, they are continuing but are changing the rules of what is counted and not. You cant say that isnt fishy. ------------------ "Her Box Started Buzzing Ever Since She Heard The CRÜE"
I guess my friend was right when he said that Gore would find some way to win the election. I told him, no no, there's no way. There'll be a recount and Bush will still have more votes in Florida. But, he insisted that Gore and the Democrats would not stop until they found a way to win. Oh well.... At least there's no way in HELL Gore will get anything done in Congress, due to the Republican majority (regardless of the slim margin) and the unscrupulous way he may win the elecion. So, HA! ------------------ "I have a DREAM.........his name's Hakeem." DREAMer's Rocket Page
Dude, you're SO misinformed, no wonder you're a Republican. Since the begining, they have put the pregnant chads in a pile. What is done w/ that pile is left up to the Florida Supreme Court tomorrow. As for the power of the next president, I sincerely think Gore would be overwelmingly more effective than Bush due to fact Bush would have ZERO legitmacy by trying to run away w/ this election by instucting his debutante to enforce the so-called deadline yesterday. Look, let's face it, LOOK WHO THE PEOPLE VOTED FOR... Gore won the popular vote! The people want Gore as president, and I think after this manual hand count everyone will see that. --- THE "W" IS FOR WASTED
This manual recount has no legitimacy anyway. Nobody is going to respect a victory with a selective recount putting you over the top. These votes most likely won't count anyway unless the all-Democratic Florida Supreme Court overturns the decision. They're most likely counting for nothing. ------------------ People like to slam Bush's education record, but at least Texans know how to punch holes.
Danillo You are the one misinformed. Watch some news, read some papers. Broward, and Dade didnt want to manual recount their ballots. They were pressured to do so by Warren Christopher. You see, the decision makers are the canvassing board in each county. Both of those counties have a democratic majority. So they decided to recount the votes, yet again. MIDWAY through TODAY, Broward county wasnt getting enough votes for Gore so they changed MIDSTREAM to count Pregnant Chads. The Pregnant Chads Get placed into the pile of Each candidate. It is up to the canvassing board to make the rules, not the court. You are SOO misinformed, no wonder you VOTE Democratic. Apparently you have a hard time seeing the truth. Read this article to inform yourself http://foxnews.com/election_night/111900/recount_broward.sml You said that BUSH is trying to run away with the election. Hmm... The Sec Of State had a DEADLINE that she enforced. A Democratic Lawyer AGREED with her on Friday. What she said was that the Manual counts should not have been counted since the deadline had passed. She was RIGHT. In Florida Law, the ONLY way you can EXTEND a deadline is if there is an ACT OF GOD (Hurricane, etc) or if there is VOTER fraud. Since there is No fraud or act of God, the deadline should stay. The people in Florida voted for BUSH. The military votes, which will go strongly for Bush, have been thrown out by the Democratic canvassing boards. There is a subjective manual recount in Democratic counties. Now midway through recounts, the counties CHANGE the rules in order to get Gore more votes. Bush could obviously get more votes than Gore if the vote was fair. If he wanted he could have taken Gore up on counting the entire state. However, the way the ballots are counted are SO subjective to individual biases, that it is in NO way a fair process to the voters. That is why Bush said NO to recounting Wyoming this last week. If there was an OFFICIAL law that showed what to count and what not to count, that would have been okay. But to change willy-nilly to get the most votes for Gore is plain Bullsh*t. Palm Beach counts one way, Dade another, and Broward yet another. It will be interesting to see if the 6 Democrats and 1 Independent on the Supreme Court can take off their blinders and see the truth for a change tomorrow. ------------------ "Her Box Started Buzzing Ever Since She Heard The CRÜE"
Do you need some cheese w/ that whine, DUDE? Aren't you paying attention to what is going on in the Florida Supreme Court today? If the justices decide to allow the hand count, they will be setting a STANDARD. So whatever standards were being using (pregnant or not) will be counted using the standard set by the Supreme Court (if they allow the hand counts to count, of course). This is exactly why they are segregating the pregnant ballots from the rest. As for hand counts not being as accurate as machines -- ROFLMAO! Isn't it obvious to you that machine counts are NO WHERE NEAR ACCURATE? Look what happened the 2nd count! A 1500 vote swing, and 85% of them going to Gore. This in itself is enough proof that machine counts are NOT accurate. Oh, and don't you know that BUSH SIGNED A TX BILL IN 1997 THAT SAID HAND COUNTS ARE PREFERED TO MACHINE COUNTS IN CLOSE ELECTIONS?! Bush is trying to steal this election on typical Republican hypocrisy! --- "I TRUST THE PEOPLE." -Bush before election "PEOPLE ARE PRONE TO ERROR, MACHINES ARE MORE RELIABLE." -Bush after the election
Davo, Bottomline, Gore won the popular vote. More people voted for him than any other candidate, correct? I think MOST people would agree that whomever gets the most votes should win. I think we'll see the disposal of the geriatric Electoral college before the next election. Since you want to throw stats around, lets look how close Florida was exactly: Out of the 6 million votes casted, Bush won by %.00005. The popular vote margin of .26% isn't even in the SAME LEAGUE as the margin in Florida. The margin in Florida is 5200 TIMES SMALLER than the margin of the Gore-won popular vote. So lets try not to compare apples and oranges Davo! --- "I TRUST THE PEOPLE." -Bush before election "PEOPLE ARE PRONE TO ERROR, MACHINES ARE MORE RELIABLE." -Bush after the election [This message has been edited by Danilo (edited November 20, 2000).]
Actually, the court might allow the hand counts and not set a standard as to what is counted as a vote. The state law does not set a standard. The court has been asked to do so, but there is no requirement that they set a standard. ------------------ Houston Sports Board The Anti-Bud Adams Page
Originally posted by Danilo: Davo, Bottomline, Gore won the popular vote. More people voted for him than any other candidate, correct? Correct. Another bottom line - Bush won the vote in Florida - he got more votes than any other candidate after the first (NORMAL)count. I think MOST people would agree that whomever gets the most votes should win. I think we'll see the disposal of the geriatric Electoral college before the next election. I don't disagree with this but it is completely out of the context of the argument. The reletive merits of the popular vote and the electoral college should have absolutely no bearing on the process in Florida. Since you want to throw stats around, lets look how close Florida was exactly: Out of the 6 million votes casted, Bush won by %.00005. The popular vote margin of .26% isn't even in the SAME LEAGUE as the margin in Florida. The margin in Florida is 5200 TIMES SMALLER than the margin of the Gore-won popular vote. Point taken. However, the popular vote is sufficiently close that I don't beleive you can decisively say who the people want to be president. If you want to get pedantic about it, its not an absolute majority at all - more people don't want Gore to be President than do! So lets try not to compare apples and oranges Davo! OK, but if we are going to distinguish between apples and oranges, at leastlets get their sizes right. The margin in the national vote is indeed 0.26%, however, after the first count in Florida, the margin was 300 out 5,820,684 or 0.0052% which is only 50 times less than the national popular vote. If we then consider the absentee ballots, which make the difference in Florida 930 out of 5,822,814 or 0.016% it is only 16 times less than the national margin. Certainly not apples for apples, but not the massive difference you were talking about ------------------ Maybe all the rulers are wrong. Current Rocket's Salary & Contract Info
OK, but if we are going to distinguish between apples and oranges, at leastlets get their sizes right. The margin in the national vote is indeed 0.26%, however, after the first count in Florida, the margin was 300 out 5,820,684 or 0.0052% which is only 50 times less than the national popular vote. If we then consider the absentee ballots, which make the difference in Florida 930 out of 5,822,814 or 0.016% it is only 16 times less than the national margin. Certainly not apples for apples, but not the massive difference you were talking about Let's use the first margin (before the absentees) since the hand count was requested at this point of time, making the 930 margin irrelavent to this topic. Comparing the National popular vote margin to the Florida popular vote margin, would be like comparing the height of TWO Hakeem's standing on top of each other to a 4" orange. --- THE "W" IS FOR WASTED [This message has been edited by Danilo (edited November 20, 2000).]
You know, if the percentage of new votes found for Gore in the hand count in Broward County hold true for the rest of Broward and for the other two counties, Gore will still be almost 500 votes short. If the same percentage of new votes found holds true for the rest of Broward and for the other two counties, Gore would have a net gain of 141 votes in Broward County, 218 votes in Miami-Dade County and 97 votes in Palm Beach County. Broward County says that with 497 of 609 precincts counted, Gore had picked up a net 115 votes. Just some more pointless statistics that mean nothing but sound interesting at first glance. ------------------ Houston Sports Board The Anti-Bud Adams Page
Danilo Let's use the first margin (before the absentees) since the hand count was requested at this point of time, making the 930 margin irrelavent to this topic. Comparing the National popular vote margin to the Florida popular vote margin, would be like comparing the height of TWO Hakeem's standing on top of each other to a 4" orange. Well if you put it that way, it all becomes clear ------------------ Maybe all the rulers are wrong. Current Rocket's Salary & Contract Info
Slow news day eh, mrpaige? I think the overseas ballots wrapped things up. 930 votes is alot to overcome unless they're going to do something about those double-punch Buchanan ballots. Bush is going to win. But at least this process will be over. That's something we can all be thankful for. ------------------
Well, the percentage is already not holding up for Gore. With 535 of the 609 precincts counted in Broward County, Gore has picked up a net 117 votes, that projects to 134 for the whole County rather than the 141 earlier predicted. That would make it 93 votes in Palm Beach County that would be expected to be picked up and 207 in Miami-Dade. Which puts Gore 496 votes short. (He was 474 votes short in my last computation). But, Palm Beach County now says they've gotten half of their precincts counted with only a three vote swing for Gore. It is not very likely that Gore would end up picking up another 90 votes in the other half of the vote. So, Palm Beach County isn't likely to hold true in my pointless statistical analysis, either. On the other hand, the count in Broward does not count pregnant chads (which the Gore campaign wants counted. Broward has put pregnant chad ballots off to the side in case they decide later to include those or are ordered to include those by a court) so if the Gore camp can manage to get the standard changed, the number of votes would probably change. Would it be enough to overcome the deficit? It doesn't look like it based on what we know right now. (But it would mean that perhaps all three counties would have to start over with their hand counts, pushing the final resolution well into December). Anyone think that the Florida Supreme Court might wait until the PBC and Broward County counts are complete before deciding whether the hand counts should be added to the official vote? Broward says they'll be done tomorrow. Palm Beach County thinks they might be done tomorrow, too. ------------------ Houston Sports Board The Anti-Bud Adams Page [This message has been edited by mrpaige (edited November 20, 2000).]
Danilo - I'm neither a Republican or a Democrat but I think you are having trouble seeing the forrest for the trees. Bush having "ZERO credibility" after "running away" with this election?? Exactly how much credibility do you think Gore will have if he wins this election after all the lawsuits, recounts, hanging chads and "voter intent" crap? Look, let's face it, LOOK WHO THE PEOPLE VOTED FOR... Gore won the popular vote! The people want Gore as president, and I think after this manual hand count everyone will see that. This is selective logic on your part. Gore leads the overall popular vote by 262,991 votes out of a total of 102,783,478. This is less than 0.26%. Democrats are completely unwilling to accept the results of a close vote in Florida but you can decisively say what the people want from an equally innacurate popular vote. Using Democratic logic, you should not be so quick to say "LOOK WHO THE PEOPLE VOTED FOR..." until a "more accurate" hand count can be done for the entire nation. ------------------ Maybe all the rulers are wrong. Current Rocket's Salary & Contract Info
