Cartoon row...

see, the big difference between me and them is that while i may say something like that, they actually DO IT. but nice try. the day you see me protesting in the street ransacking, burning, and killing in the name of a clearly misguided religion is the day you can lump in with the rest of those loons.

 

I think the problem is that you are lumping in millions of muslims with the few thousand that are doing the violence. Even in Iran the protests have never numbered more than in the hundreds. That is out of millions of Muslims in just that one country. Indonesia which is the largest Muslim nation in the world, hasn't really had the same problems.

Of course when most of us don't come in contact with a muslim community daily, we don't see the vast majority of Muslims going about their business, working, buying newspapers, trying to pay the rent, talking about sports, doing things which are normal. What we see is images of people burning, threatening and searching to kill Europeans. Our perception is centered around what we see.

 

the solution is thinking first about other people before thinking solely about yourself. if both sides did that here, this would have been over a long time ago.

 

Sad!!!

 

one cannot control what others do. they need to address the issue for themselves, we will never be part of the solution.

 

i'm not saying you can control what others do.

but you can't shoot the bird at someone and then not expect a reaction...or be surprised when there is a reaction. we don't live in a bubble. our actions do affect one another.

if we controlled better what we do....by treating other people with respect...then we'd find their reactions might be different.

 

So what was the point of saying:

To get a rise of people, sound tough, be sarcastic or give voice to a fantasy?

 

dude, go right on ahead, keep giving them an excuse. i will not give anyone who acts like this a pass. the satire criticized islam for a propensity towards violence. i guess they proved the cartoonists implications correct. are you so easily compelled to violence if someone offends you? if i flip you the bird are you gonna go burn down an art gallery?

 

How badly do you want a war?

 

heh...We have cartoons here in the States that make fun of Christianity/God/Jesus all the time...funny how nobody seems to get riled up about it.

DId you know that accordig to Family Guy, God and JEsus go out cruising the bars in a Escalade picking up chicks with their godly powers?

and when God accidently kills a girl...they ran like hell.

Why oh why arent the Christians protesting this?

 

Because it's funny.

 

why do you think ii'm giving them a pass? i've said over and over again that violence is inexcusable. i'm not making excuses for them at all.

no i'm not compelled to violence at being offended. i wish that the people doing this weren't either.

having said all that....when you disrespect something that is sacred to people, you often get a reaction you don't like. is that reaction right or justified? of course not. but it's coming anyway.

 

one big difference is the way Christians have historically viewed symbols. i read a story of a Christian missionary in a Muslim country...he was explaining how there was nothing magical about the Bible itself...meaning the book he was holding...and to prove the point he jumped up and down on the Bible..he put it down on the ground and jumped up and down on it. he got into loads of trouble for that in an Islamic country. because the book itself is holy to them...not the thoughts inside...but the book itself.

in addition, Mohammed was big on avoiding idolatry. he suggested that there should not be statues of him or pictures of other believers hung up...and no representations of God, either, because he can't be contained in a picture. they believe to try it is to be making idols. so there were strong feelings against it and there still are today.

again...not excusing violence, but trying to give you an understanding of why this might be different from Muslims than it is for Christians.

 

whats offensive is offensive given the views of the person being offended obviously as long as its somewhat reasonable.

if i dont consider the n word to be offensive...its irrelevant. im not an african american. if i dont think the cleveland indian mascot/uniforms are offensive...irrelevant. im not a native american.

 

The sad part is the reaction mostly aren't even towards the people who offened them. People are just be used by a few.

 

Everyone needs to chill out.
Eat PORK.
let their hair down
shave their faces.
and toss the female ninja outfits in the closet.
have a pool party.
get some jack and cokes.
blast some will smith cds.

then there will be peace on earth.

 

Cleric calls on Mohammed cartoonist to be executed
(Filed: 06/02/2006)

In pics: Muslim outrage spreads
Cartoon protests 'intolerable'

Omar Bakri Mohammed, the radical Muslim cleric, has said the cartoonist behind caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed that have sparked outrage across the Arab world should be tried and executed under Islamic law.


Omar Bakri Mohammed
The cleric said the cartoonist had insulted Islam and must pay the price, as three people were killed during protests against the cartoons in Afghanistan.

"The insult has been established now by everybody, Muslim and non-Muslim, and everybody condemns the cartoonist and condemns the cartoon," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

"However, in Islam, God said, and the messenger Mohammed said, whoever insults a prophet, he must be punished and executed.

"This man should be put on trial and if it is proven to be executed."

The cleric said Muslims in Britain were not allowed to kill people who insulted Islam because it was against the law of the country.

"We are not saying ourselves to go there and start to look to him and kill him, we are not talking about that. We are talking about Islamic rules. If anybody insults the prophet, he will have to take a punishment."

He said if countries refused to put people on trial for insulting Mohammed they must "face the consequences".

Three people were killed and several were injured as protestors clashed with police in the central city of Mihtarlam.

It was the latest display of outrage against the cartoons, which were originally published in Denmark and have been reprinted in various European countries.

Protests in London over the weekend sparked concern over placards containing radical slogans.

 

Muslim folks here....what is his basis for this in the Koran? any guesses?

 

If I was subjected to Will Smith CD's I would become violent.