What do people think of drafting someone like Caron Butler. Kid was amazing against Maryland and I've heard he's definitely coming out of school. I admit that adding another young guy may not be in our best interest but if we end up around 6 or 7 like we probably will, I'd take Butler before Jeffries. What do ya think??
he would be great, but i'd take wilcox before him. i also wish we could get DeJaun Wagner, i know we dont need another PG but he's to good to pass up if he's availible. He would be better the moochie and has amazing skills.
He plays with more intensity than Jeffries,but I don't know if he would be able to matchup with tall SF's in the NBA.
What tall SFs are there in the NBA who would pose problems? If there's any problem it might be that he'd get shot over. But, he can shoot over taller players. Butler has a great combo of shooting ability and athleticism. Think Richard Jefferson with an offensive game.
I'm really high on Butler and I think he's one of the most athletic guys in this year's draft. I think he would mesh really well with Francis and Mobley and I'd rather take a risk with a rookie with the potential upside of Butler than pick up a proven veteran (Odom) with an attitude who's gonna demand the ball. And all this talk of getting Maggette is crap. I don't think I've ever seen anyone as inconsistent as Maggette.
I think we would take Butler over Wilcox or Jeffries. He has more defensive tenacity (which we really need) and he's a 3 that can rebound and shoot (which we really need both of). I think he fills more holes than Jeffries does because he has better defensive skills in a one-on-one role and he is a better shooter (which Rudy loves in a 3). We would take Butler over Wilcox because I don't think our team will be sold that Wilcox can be a C and we don't need another PF, not to mention Butler is probably better regardless of this positional problem.
Taller SF's who could shoot over him and drive around him. Dirk,Peja,KG,McGrady,Hedo,Walker,Kirilenko,Lewis,Bender,Mashburn,Al Harrington and Odom if both of them recover from injuries.
If you count Dirk as a PF, he's off the list. Ditto for KG. McGrady is the only one you listed who is both taller than Butler, and can outjump Butler. However, I will add Marion to your list. The rest may be taller, but they do not elevate as well as Butler. I'd be more concerned if Butler weighed 190 lbs or something, but he weighs a rock solid 235 or so.
Butler would be a great selection. He's a more traditional SF with great athleticism and scoring potential, he's not trying to be a point-forward or a PF\SF. I think NBADraft.net compares him to Paul Pierce, and while I usually laugh at the comparisons that website tries to make (Dunleavy-Bird, TJ Ford-Nate Archibald ), the Butler-Pierce comparison isn't bad. Both are athletic swingmen who can dominate with their scoring ability. And as far as his height, Butler is roughly the same size as Glenn Robinson and Quitten. I don't think those 2 have problems getting their shots off.
What Live said. Being a 6 ft 7/6 ft 8 SF is not being undersized. It's like saying a 6 ft 3 PG is undersized. Yes, he's shorter than the tallest SFs, but it's not like he has a 3+ inch height disadvantage against anyone he'll face.
Besides, Paul Pierce plays SF and he's only 6-6 or 6-7 and I would say he's a very solid defensive player. Its about strength and quickness at SF versus heighth and leeping ability (which may be more of a factor in a post up type position like PF or C).
Butler should still be available around the 6th or 7th pick. What makes him so attractive is that he is much less one-dimensional and much less of a risk than drafting someone like Ming or Wilcox. He has the power to take over a game and gives the Rocks a very powerful 4th option when the game is on the line (given that Griffin bulks up this offseason and can spend more time in the post). And given that the Rocks lost 25 games this season by 6 points or less, an additional threat like Butler certainly would not hurt. Williams will be gone, but the Rocks don't need him anyway. (Dude needs to work on the 15 footer with noone in his face - also known as a free throw) And given that Qyntel Woods will be gone too by the 6th or 7th pick, that leaves Butler as the most athletic player available and I think the player most likely to be able to make an immediate impact. The guy's a 22 year old sophomore with sick skills. If I'm CD and we don't get a pick in the top 3 or 4, we hang on to the pick and take Butler. Gooden and Jeffries are too similar to Griffin and I don't think the Rocks need either of them. They need to focus on developing Collier and motivating Cato before drafting another center like Borchardt. If we do get into the top 3 or 4, given the options available, we certainly could trade the pick (preferrably not for Odom), but I think Butler is the best all-around player who is likely to go in the top 10. Another viable option may be Sam Clancy but he is extremely undersized to play PF in the NBA and he is the same height and weight as Butler (plus or minus 5 pounds). Again this points to Butler. So incase I haven't made it clear...BUTLER BUTLER BUTLER!!!
I just hope that Wagner and Gooden come out, making it that much more likely that Butler would be available with the 6 or 7 pick.
I think the top 5 will be Williams, Ming, Woods, Wagner, and Gooden. If we get 6th I'd take Wilcox, in fact I might take hm over Gooden. Wilcox is very athletic at 6'10-11 and has a strong 240 frame. Add that he's quick and probably could play all the front court positions I think he's in the mold of a R. Wallace without the outside shot but rebounds, blocks, defend, and post up almost as well. But after him I'd take Butler over everyone else. He's got great offensive skills and pretty good defense too. If possible I rather trade our pick for Odom not only because of his rare skills but also since he would have an immediate impact from the get-go.
Although both Wilcox and Butler have tremendous upside, I would take Butler before Wilcox. I see Wilcox being good in about 2 or 3 years, but not immediately. Wilcox looks out of sorts at times on the floor and unsure of himself (until he throws down a monster dunk or swats someone's shot into the 6th row). Overall I think his game is pretty immature and I think he should stay in school for another year. I think Butler could make more of an immediate impact and he fills more holes than Wilcox does, especially if KT can keep improving the way he is at PF (assuming we hang onto him). If we draft Butler, we're looking at 4 starters who could average in double-figures (Francis, Mobley, Griffin or KT, and Butler (if Rice is unhealthy)). If we draft Butler, I don't know who Rudy would start at the 4 (Griffin or KT) but if each plays 20-30 minutes a night, they both could easily average double-figures. There's no reason Cato shouldn't be pulling down 10-12 boards a night and KT can clean the glass in his own right. With a body like Butler's he can bang inside and pull down some boards also. So I don't really feel like there's anything Wilcox can do that Butler can't, except for maybe bang in the low-post and hang out in the paint on shot-blocking patrol, but I really like the way KT's been coming along this year and I hope we hang onto him.
