exactly...good job I'm glad you posted that..i was searching for a ranking somewhere online another good thought...its just another form of supply and demand
I'm sorry I got so upset by some of the comments in this thread but there is something else that should be pointed out. The thought that only black people can attend these schools is also ridiculous. I went to high school with a white guy who played football at TSU and if you would actually take the time to walk around the campus you would see there is some diversity among its students. So yes when these instutions were founded they were founded for black students but just as school like UT have changed, so have these.
I'm not talking about A program, I'm talking about the entire school. Every college has *something* they specialize in to attract students. According to US News and World Report, TSU is a Tier 4 school (there are only 4 tiers so that's a ranking somewhere between 195-249) while UT is in Tier 1 ranked #47, Notre Dame is in Tier 1 ranked #18, BYU is in Tier 2 along with Howard and Texas A&M. I can't even find PV on the list. So your assertion that TSU is just like Notre Dame and BYU is just terrible. TSU and PV are not "great schools" by any stretch of the imagination. Once again, I said those are great schools to attend if you want to pursue a career in those certain fields. I never said they were better than UT or A&M. My point was that if you want to pursue a career in those fields, you are not hurting yourself by going to those schools even if other schools are ranked higher? Why are you not hurting yourself? Because when it comes down to getting a job, those schools are where companies go to find black employees. I like how you keep dodging that point, but it's okay. You could say the same however there are always going to be schools which are less costly and of a less quality like Sam Houston or SWT or SFA. The difference is that, barring a money problem, whites don't dismiss better colleges to go there. So you are telling me the only reason white students choose SWT or SFA over UT and A&M is because of cost? Being close to home has nothing to do with it? What about wanting to go to a small school as opposed to a large one. What about going to school with your best friend? What about going to the school that your parents went to? Mabye your choice came down to what college had the highest Time ranking, but some students consider those other aspects. He's hurting himself by not choosing a school that potentially has a better engineering program. Again perpetuating a cycle of segregation with this around their people, their culture stuff. If their people always picked the best schools like other kids then they'd be around their people and their culture. You still have yet to show me how the student is hurting himself. In my opinion, a kid goes to college to mature, have some fun, and ultimately graduate and gain employment in a certain field (or open up their own business, etc.). Once again, does it really matter if my school overall is ranked in the 4th tier if every engineering firm comes there to find black engineers? It's odd that you keep dismissing my point about program rankings. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Rice is the highest ranked school in Texas. However, UT has the #1 ranked accounting program. My chances of getting a job in accounting were better by going to UT, and that's what I chose to do. Once again, the only ranking that matters to me is who comes to your school to hire you once you graduate. I don't care what PV is ranked overall. The FACT is that when a TX engineering firm is looking for a black engineer, they will go to PV to find one. Keep dodging that point though. How many Presidents, Senators, CEO's of fortune 500 companies have gone to Morehouse, Spelman, and Howard as opposed to Harvard, Princeton, and Yale? Well, considering we live in a predominately white society, I would not expect Morehouse to have as many presidents (never been a black one, unless ya believe the Abraham Lincoln rumor), senators or CEO's as Howard or Princenton. The fact that those schools are older than Morehouse and the large disparity in school population has something to do with it as well. However, when I compare notable Morehouse Alumni to notable alumni from other schools (like A&M or UT) I feel we hold our own. Here is a brief list for you: Lerone Bennet Jr. '49 Executive editor of Ebony magazine Sanford D. Bishop Jr. '68 U.S. congressman (Georgia) Nathaniel Hawthorne Bronner '40* founder of Bronner Brothers Beauty Cosmetics Herman Cain '67 chairman and CEO of Godfather's Pizza; president of the National Restaurant Association Julius Coles '64 director of the Andrew Young Center for international affairs and former United States ambassador to Senegal Samuel Dubois Cook '48 former president of Dillard University and former member of the National Council on Humanities Chester A. Davenport '63 managing director of Georgetown Partners and chairman of GTE Consumer Services Corp. George W. Haley '49 U.S. ambassador to the Gambia, Africa, and former U.S. postal rate commissioner Earl F. Hilliard '64 U.S. congressman (Alabama) M. William Howard Jr. '68 president of the New York Theological Seminary Maynard H. Jackson '56 chairman and CEO of Jackson Securities INc. and first African-American mayor of Atlanta Samuel L. Jackson '72 Academy Award nominee and motion picture actor Howard E. Jeter '70 former U.S. ambassador to Botswana Arthur E. Johnson '68 president and COO for Lockheed Martin Information Services Sector Jeh Johnson '79 general counsel for the U.S. Secretary of the Air Force Robert E. Johnson '48 former executive editor and associate publisher of JET magazine Martin Luther King Jr. '48 Nobel Peace Prize laureate and civil rights leader Shelton "Spike" Lee '79 filmmaker and president of 40 Acres & A Mule Edwin C. Moses '78 Olympic gold medalist and financial consultant for Robinson-Humphrey Co. Inc. James M. Nabrit '23* former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations and former president of Howard University Major R. Owens '56 U.S. congressman (New York) David Satcher '63 U.S. surgeon general Louis W. Sullivan '54 president of Morehouse School of Medicine and former secretary of health and human services I don't know Timing, but that looks like a pretty good and diverse network to me. The Citadel was built for men to attend and now there are women there. Should women not bother because it wasn't built for them? Of course not, that's ridiculous. No, women should feel free to go anywhere they want. They simply have a CHOICE now. Just because they can go now dosen't mean women should say, hey....I don't want to go to an all girl school anymore (like Spelman or Agnes Scott). I never said blacks should not go to white schools. My point is you can't hate on them for choosing to still go to black ones. Black schools were built to segregate blacks but you're okay with perpetuating that. No, black schools were built to EDUCATE blacks when they could not be educated elsewhere. They're considered inferior by US News and World Report which is probably the best known rating survey in the nation. Well if that report carries so much weight, then why does corporate america still recruit there heavily? Wake up and see which ratings really matter. Black culture should be more a part of education in our school system but there's no incentive for anyone to change that. Universities change according to demand from their student body. With a more representative student body there would be change in that regard IMHO. I agree. But like I said, for those students who really want to learn about black culture, they are more than welcome to attend an HBCU. You're being really naive man. Hispanics, like whites, encompass many nationalities with different cultures, far far far far more so than African-Americans. Hispanics aren't as involved in important aspects of American history like African-Americans, ie slavery, the Civil War, Civil Rights, etc. It is vital that African-American history is well covered in all colleges and by perpetuating this segregation of college kids by race you're only hurting the cause of progress in this country. Whoa, you are going on a completely different tangent. The point was that if you want to learn a trade, about a culture, about a people, then you go to those people to learn. You don't say come to me so I can learn from you. Then people need to stop referring to the institutions as black institutions. Should I stop referring to Notre Dame as "Home of the Fighting Irish"? Should people stop referring to the Core when they speak of A&M. Man...all the double standards.
I don't know which company you work for, but when my company hires software engineers, we don't look for white, black, or Asian engineers, we just look for talented engineers.
Achebe, where do you live then? Texas Southern University has a commercial with African-Americans and Caucasians and Asian-Americans all saying they went to TSU. I do not think that will increase the student population of non-African-Americans. At least they are making an attempt to make their university more diverse.
Once again, ask the black people at your job where they went to school. The answers might suprise you.
UH Central I would love to contribute but my opinions on these issues make me the bad guy, which is really unfortunate. Great thread, I'm enjoying the read.
Hey, I just saw a video clip sample of one of your shows . Funny . Did you also have a small role in Arlington Road??? If yes, what was your role...I watched that movie.
I was an FBI investigator, a lot of walk-by stuff and a nice chunk at the end (the trunk scene). Thanks... BTW where did you see the clip?
Here: http://www.pavlovsdogentertainment.com/performers/washington.htm Oh, I remember that trunk scene...I hated that ending... But it was a good thriller, I thought. I love that kind of movie.
Notre Dame was founded by the Brothers of Holy Cross for Catholic higher education in the (then) west. It has NOTHING to do with the Irish except for its sport teams. Carry on. http://catholic.archives.nd.edu/wack/wack00.htm
Notre Dame was founded by the Brothers of Holy Cross for Catholic higher education in the (then) west. It has NOTHING to do with the Irish except for its sport teams. I stand corrected.
Cool . It's only 2 minutes, though... So do I get a free ticket for one of your shows? When are you coming to Europe?
