Black Colleges

now why would you think that

 

I'm what you would call.....like, uh, I'm smart?

 

I heard UH dropped out cause their library was heavily damaged by TS Allison. I believe UH was in the 40's at the time. As long as there are only two Tier 1's in the state, UH can get back in the top 50.

True. Big problem for TSU.

 

Baylor's got to be close to getting back into the first tier, if they're not there already. They just opened an amazing new building and have had the highest bar passing rates the last two tests.

 

My, my, my. I'm a little disappointed by some of the responses in this thread. However, I don't mind taking a little time to educate the board on black colleges. Who knows, maybe next time someone asks you about one, you will actually be able to respond and know what the heck you are talking about. Since I attended a HBCU (Morehouse College), UT and Texas Tech, I feel I can speak on the subject from both views.

HBCU's were created to give African Americans a chance to attend college. When they were created, students like myself could not attend schools like UT or Texas Tech.

They are still considered "black colleges" because the majority of the student body is black. However, students of any race are more than welcome to apply and attend the school (and we had a few at Morehouse). Just because the majority of the student body is still black does not mean the school is practicing segregation. Anyone is free to apply. However, I doubt the majority of this board applied to any black school.

And like someone already pointed out, no one is constructing black colleges anymore.

A) Why should black colleges go the way of the Negro Leagues? Black colleges are regular schools, just like Notre Dame (founded for the Irish) and BYU (founded for the Mormons) are regular schools. And believe it or not, these schools are the best schools possible when you look at the total picture.

B) Now UT and A&M alumni are proud as hell that they went to those schools, even the ones who went there when blacks couldn't. Should I not be as equally proud of my old school? Is it wrong for me to want to send my kids to Morehouse, and have a strong tradition of Morehouse Men like some families have strong traditions of Aggies or Longhorns? That seems like one hell of a double standard.

C) This "atmosphere of acceptance and all that other jazz" is actually quite important. Believe it or not, some black students appreciate the fact that they can attend a school that was built exclusively for them. They feel proud to attend a school that was not legally forced to let them attend.

Is it hard to believe that black people would feel more comfortable around other black people? Don’t you think I would feel more comfortable around thousands of other black people my age in Atlanta....as compared to being around mostly white people in Austin.....in a place where I might be lucky to see 20 black students in a day (not counting the football team, basketball team, track team, etc). Do you think walking around campus and seeing statues of former openly racist individuals, slave owners, etc. makes me feel comfortable? You don't think a student’s comfort level at a school has an impact on their grades?

Is it hard to believe that a student would have a better chance to succeed by being in an environment where there are more things for them to do (the type of things that fit THEIR culture). Believe it or not, but the "education" that you receive outside of the classroom in college is just as vital as the one you receive in the classroom. The biggest complaint from black students at white universities is that there is nothing for them to do there (with other black students). How many "black geared functions" do you think UT or Tech actually sponsors? When I say sponsors, I mean where the school itself is throwing something, not a black fraternity or organization at the school? At most white schools, the only events thrown for black students are the ones that they throw themselves, mostly coming from black fraternities and sororities via step-shows, parties, community service, etc. You wanna know how the typical black student spends their weekend at an all white school? They will either go to an event sponsored by a black organization (not by the school), go to a house party (probably thrown by another black person), or road trip to another city where these type of events are going on. You would be surprised how many black college students have to road trip just to find something to do. On the other hand, if I attend a black college, this problem usually does not exist.

Sorry Timing, but this is the only quote that really bothered me. How do you figure going to a black school is a clearly inferior educational opportunity? Are all black schools super strong educationally? No, they are not...but most of them specialize in a certain area or two that makes them worth going to. If you think all white colleges are strong educationally then you are lying to yourself. Whenever you pick a school to attend, you need to consider how much weight that degree will carry when you graduate. That degrees "weight" will vary depending on what you major in, and where you are located (based on how many alumni are in that area).

My degree from UT carries a lot of weight in Texas because UT is a good school, has a great name here, and there are tons of Longhorns in the state. However, once I leave Texas, it loses some of its luster. In some states, when I tell folks I went to UT, they first think of The University of Tennessee. However, my Morehouse degree carries weight no matter where I go. No matter what state I'm in (or country where blacks reside) I can find an alum there, because it's a private school that people travel from all across the world to attend. UT can't say that.

After I did my exchange program at Texas Tech, do you know how hard it was for me to find an internship (I was a business major). Fact is, the Tech business program is behind the Morehouse business program. What......a black school being ranked higher than a white one....are you serious? The only ranking that matters is whether people come to your school to recruit or not. People come to Morehouse to recruit business majors. They don't come to Tech. More on this later.

Now the degree I got from UT was a Masters in Accounting. UT has the #1 ranked accounting program in the world. However, I still felt like I learned more about accounting at Morehouse because:
A) The classes are much smaller, and if you don't know your stuff, it's easier for you to get called out. I found this to be the general case when comparing the classes at a white school to a black one, especially in classes like English or History (at Tech, those classes were too large to give out paper assignments, so your whole grade was based on multiple choice exams.......which I definitely would not consider a superior way to ensure that your students are learning).
B) There was no pressure to curve the grades to keep the schools rankings high. Anyone else who went through UT's accounting program knows about the magic curve.
C) I did feel like UT had better accounting professors. However, they were not able to teach ME as much because the classes were bigger. That might just be a personal thing, with me learning more in smaller classes. However, the program that I was in had students from the top colleges across the country, and I never thought that the accounting knowledge that I obtained from my black school was inferior when I compared myself and my performance to those students.

Believe it or not, going to a black college (one that has some clout) actually gives a student a BETTER chance to get a job after graduation. Think about how the “game” really works for a second. Who funds black colleges? Alumni and corporate America (just like any other school). Why does corporate America fund black colleges? Because the economy is becoming more diverse and what better place to look for black candidates to hire than from black colleges. Sure, you can find a black accountant or engineer at UT, but finding one that you want is going to be hard simply because there are not a lot of black students there (4 in total in my graduate program at UT). Therefore companies go to black colleges SPECIFICALLY to hire black candidates. For those of you who work in corporate America, I guarantee 60-70% of the black people at your company went to a HBCU (if you are in a state that has HBCU’s). If you don’t believe me, ask the black employees there or someone in your recruiting department.

Lastly, black schools actually serve the black community, because the white ones sure as hell don’t.

Overall, the majority of these schools are good schools. Sure, some of them need a lot of help, but I’m sure they have one or two strong departments that makes the school worth attending. Some of you may look down on Prairie View, but they have great programs for engineering, architecture, nursing and teaching. If you are black, want to stay in the state and not spend a lot of money, PV is a great place to go for those fields. TSU has a great pharmacy program. Xavier in New Orleans is a great place to go if you want to go into the medical field. The majority of the black people that work at my accounting firm went to Southern, which has a strong business program. I could go on and on, but I’m sure you guys get the point.

In conclusion, a black college is the best place for a black student to go to school. There is no other place where the student can learn about his/her culture while obtaining the skills necessary to succeed in life. White schools are great, but that can’t offer the student that combination. When you consider that those are the recruiting grounds for corporations as well, then you will realize that there is no better place for a black student to be.

Now if a student were really on top of things, they would go to a black school for undergrad, and then to a big white one for grad school. That way the get the best of both worlds.

Are you referring to certain schools, or black colleges period. If it's the latter, please do some research before you post on this subject next time.

 

Icehouse - thanks for the insight and inside knowledge. You have certainly brought proof that there are a lot of quality educational opportunities at these schools that many people are not aware of. As for the ones which are in trouble, there are "white" schools that are in the same boat. Many of my high school classmates went to HBCUs and have become quite successful professionally.

Just curious - what exactly do you mean when you say that white schools (most of which I never particularly thought of as "white") have nothing for black students to do? What would you have them sponsor? I thought they just had activities for students to do, no matter what color they are. If anyone wants to get overtly racially specific... well, they'll leave that to the Greek organizations (aside from perhaps sponsoring minority student associations). Otherwise, it might seem like they're being racist or patronizing by stereotyping people and suggesting that they fit into color categories.

Those of us who have been going to college in recent years, and are now beginning to join the faculty and staff, have no memory of segregation. We don't think of our schools as "white", and are embarrassed that they ever were so. On the other hand, most white kids wouldn't have the nerve to attend an all-black college simply because they don't want to feel like part of a small minority. Of course, that is something that "minorities" have had to live with on a daily basis...

 

This is generally true. However, UT does have a large amount of international students who go there because its cost/quality of education ratio is very high. For many people, UT's out of state tuition is cheaper than many in-state tuition, especially in the Northeast. While it's true UT has a much more well known reputation in Texas, it's also well regarded throughout the nation as one of the better public universities.

I was an accounting major at UT. Although the classes were much larger, I always found it to be a cop out when people complained about class size. The professors generally had office hours that were very accessible to students. Whenever I went for help, I never had to wait since there was never anyone around (unless it was right before or after a test).

Overall youre right about the UT Campus. There is more diversity than A&M, but mostly due to higher Asian and Hispanic students.

African American enrollment is very small.

 

Isabel:

When I was referring to the activites for black students, I was referring to those in line with their culture. Sure, there are things for black students to do, but they don't have a black aspect to them, if that makes any sense. For example, a fashion show sponsored by UT would be totally different that one sponsored by Morehouse. That's not a knock at UT, but the administration there does not know how to throw a fashion show geared towards black students. The events at black schools are just different (they are sponsored by a black administration).

You made a good point about some white students not being willing to attend a HBCU. I remember when I was at Morehouse, we had a white student there that was openly racist towards blacks (before he got to school). He had never been around black people, and his family was very racist. However, he decided to attend an HBCU to see the real deal and to better himself. I really respected him for that.

I wasn't trying to say UT is not a good school. I think it's a great school.....that's why I went there. I'm just saying the degree dosen't carry as much weight outside of the state.

I mentioned the class size to show:
A) That it's harder to assign students work (like essays) because you don't have the manpower to grade it.
B) That it's harder to hide in a smaller class. If you don't know your stuff, you can't sit the back of an 8 student class and get out with a passing grade.

 

Originally posted by Icehouse
A) Why should black colleges go the way of the Negro Leagues? Black colleges are regular schools, just like Notre Dame (founded for the Irish) and BYU (founded for the Mormons) are regular schools. And believe it or not, these schools are the best schools possible when you look at the total picture.

TSU and PV are simply poor schools and aren't just like Notre Dame and BYU. There aren't a hundred colleges that exist just for the Irish nor a hundred just for Mormons. If black colleges were confined to an elite few like Morehouse and Howard then we'd have the best schools possible.

B) Now UT and A&M alumni are proud as hell that they went to those schools, even the ones who went there when blacks couldn't. Should I not be as equally proud of my old school? Is it wrong for me to want to send my kids to Morehouse, and have a strong tradition of Morehouse Men like some families have strong traditions of Aggies or Longhorns? That seems like one hell of a double standard.

You're talking apples and organes. Morehouse is an excellent school while TSU and PV aren't. This isn't about school pride, it's about the state of education for African-Americans in this country. UT is a better school than either TSU or PV and anyone who's picking TSU or PV over UT simply because they're black colleges is hurting himself. We can't have a perpetual cycle of segregation where black kids are choosing schools because they're historically black. They're potentially cheating themselves of a better education. No one is saying that there aren't good black colleges like Morehouse, just that the quality of a lot of them isn't good and if the basis for picking that school is the color of your skin and not the quality of the school then that's a huge problem.

C) This "atmosphere of acceptance and all that other jazz" is actually quite important. Believe it or not, some black students appreciate the fact that they can attend a school that was built exclusively for them. They feel proud to attend a school that was not legally forced to let them attend.

You say it was "built exclusively for them" but don't really acknowledge that it's a seperate but far from equal situation. They're perpetuating the intent of these schools, to keep blacks seperate and not allow them the type of networking, access, or quality of education that exists at the most powerful institutions in the state. TSU or PV can't compete with UT in those respects and never will barring some miracle. They feel proud to attend a school that wasn't legally forced to let them attend but was just legally created to segregate them.

Is it hard to believe that black people would feel more comfortable around other black people? Don’t you think I would feel more comfortable around thousands of other black people my age in Atlanta....as compared to being around mostly white people in Austin.....in a place where I might be lucky to see 20 black students in a day (not counting the football team, basketball team, track team, etc). Do you think walking around campus and seeing statues of former openly racist individuals, slave owners, etc. makes me feel comfortable? You don't think a student’s comfort level at a school has an impact on their grades?

You're just advocating a self-imposed cycle of segregation in education. Black kids aren't comfortable at UT so they go to TSU and next year black kids aren't comfortable at UT so they go to TSU and so on. So black kids never get comfortable at UT because few ever go whereas if TSU and PV were closed down, black kids would go to UT and then could make changes on campus that aren't made now because black kids aren't there in numbers of much significance. As far as this outside of the classroom education, I'd rather see white kids learning to interact with black kids and vice versa rather than the white party over here and the black party over there. The current situation in that regard prevents advancement in race relations.

Sorry Timing, but this is the only quote that really bothered me. How do you figure going to a black school is a clearly inferior educational opportunity?

The meaning of my sentence was that anyone selecting a black college like TSU or PV over a better school like UT, simply on the basis of it being a black college, is hurting himself by choosing a clearly inferior educational opportunity. It'd be like someone picking Southwest Texas over UT because they really love river rafting.

In conclusion, a black college is the best place for a black student to go to school. There is no other place where the student can learn about his/her culture while obtaining the skills necessary to succeed in life. White schools are great, but that can’t offer the student that combination. When you consider that those are the recruiting grounds for corporations as well, then you will realize that there is no better place for a black student to be.

Again this is just another segregationist cycle. Black kids don't go to regular colleges because they can't learn about their culture and so regular colleges are never pressured to improve in that area and on and on and on and on. The whole time whites, hispanics, and asians aren't learning about African-American culture at all. Another impediment to not only improved education for all in this country but improved race relations. The corporate argument is just more of the same cycle.

 

Texas Southern has a very good Pharmacy program. Prarie View is well know for engineering. As Icehouse stated, most of the colleges nowadays are know for a particular field of study.

What bothers even more though than comments on why should someone attend these schools is that people think these schools should go away because of integration.

People are as proud as having attended these schools as the alumni of UT or A&M. This just proves why blacks and whites will never be able to fully get along. Its typical for a white person to believe that anything black is inferior, black people should always want to be involved with whites if we want to truly succeed. I mean these are very racist ideas, and you people stating them probably don't consider yourselves racist.

I mean to say that the schools should go away because now I can go to masa's school is ridiculous and utterly offensive, like "why would you want to be around your own people, don't you think us whites are clearly better than you. I mean, isn't that what you are really saying. Why should we give up our tradition just to assimulate with yours when it was you who didn't want us there in the first place.

And this isn't the first time I've heard it. When I was in college, I took an African American Studies course and there were some whites who were offended by black fraternities and sororities. I'm like hello, the reason these instutions exist is because of the history of segragation and now we are just supposed to give up things we are proud of. That isn't what integragation is about, its about being afforded all opportunities, not "now I can go to school with the white man, I'm so happy now".

 

Maybe its just me, but I don't see your point here. I went to the Univ of Maryland (a "white" school according to some I suppose). I found Maryland to have a lot of diversity when it came to the student body. However, outside of fraternity events, I don't remember there being too many events with "white" aspects to them or "black" aspects to them. I just remember there being events in general. If the event interested you, then you went..if it didn't , you did something else.

 

TSU and PV are simply poor schools and aren't just like Notre Dame and BYU.

You are incorrect. TSU and PV has some very excellent programs, such as engineering, teaching, nursing and pharmacy. If I choose to pursue one of those fields, then those are both great schools to go to. That comment shows me that you don't know very much about either of those schools.

If black colleges were confined to an elite few like Morehouse and Howard then we'd have the best schools possible.

I could say the same about some white schools. Should we eliminate Sam Houston or SWT because they are not as strong as UT or A&M? Do you see the huge double standard that you are creating? Sure, PV and TSU aren't on the level of Morehouse and Spelman, but that dosen't mean they don't have some benefits to make a student want to go there.

UT is a better school than either TSU or PV and anyone who's picking TSU or PV over UT simply because they're black colleges is hurting himself. We can't have a perpetual cycle of segregation where black kids are choosing schools because they're historically black. They're potentially cheating themselves of a better education.

Hmm, how is a student who wants to pursue a career in engineering hurting himself by going to PV when they can be around their people, their culture, and have a better chance of getting a job after graduation because companies come their SPECIFICALLY to find black engineers?

How are they perpretuating anything? White students, and students of any other race are more than welcome to apply and attend a HBCU. Is it our fault that they choose not to apply? You look down on someone who picks TSU or PV over UT. Should I look down on someone that picks Tech or SWT over Morehouse, since Morehouse is clearly a stronger school?

The schools don't provide students with networking opportunities? How large do you think my UT network is once I leave the borders of Texas, Oklahoma or Louisiana? Realistic question? Is the majority of your network your race? I'm pretty sure it is. Yet you think a white school offers a black student a better chance to network, especially considering that the majority of black professionals in the corporate world attended HBCU's?

You're just advocating a self-imposed cycle of segregation in education.

No, I'm just telling you how the real world works.

Black kids aren't comfortable at UT so they go to TSU and next year black kids aren't comfortable at UT so they go to TSU and so on. So black kids never get comfortable at UT because few ever go whereas if TSU and PV were closed down, black kids would go to UT and then could make changes on campus that aren't made now because black kids aren't there in numbers of much significance. As far as this outside of the classroom education, I'd rather see white kids learning to interact with black kids and vice versa rather than the white party over here and the black party over there. The current situation in that regard prevents advancement in race relations.

No, black kids are just more comfortable around other black kids, the same way that white kids are more comfortable around other white kids. That's probably why most white students choose not to go to black colleges. Oh, but it's okay for us to go to your schools though? Even though UT might not be classified as a "white school", it is because it was built for white students to attend (meaning others could not attend), and the majority of the students there now are white. Once again, one hell of a double standard.

The meaning of my sentence was that anyone selecting a black college like TSU or PV over a better school like UT, simply on the basis of it being a black college, is hurting himself by choosing a clearly inferior educational opportunity.

You have yet to show me how TSU or PV is inferior for a black student that chooses to focus on certain fields. If my chances of getting a job after graduation are better, then how is my education inferior. Companies don't hire inferior employees. Sure, my accounting firm does not go to TSU or PV looking for auditors, but that does not mean schools or engineering firms don't. Please give me some support for your inferior comment.

Again this is just another segregationist cycle. Black kids don't go to regular colleges because they can't learn about their culture and so regular colleges are never pressured to improve in that area and on and on and on and on. The whole time whites, hispanics, and asians aren't learning about African-American culture at all. Another impediment to not only improved education for all in this country but improved race relations.

If a student of another race really wants to learn about black culture, THEN ATTEND A BLACK COLLEGE. If you really want to learn Spanish, you go live in Spain for a while right? You don't say, hey hispanic/mexican guy, come over here to teach me about your culture. I'm pretty sure white students aren't saying, hey......I need to go to Morehouse so those black kids can learn about my culture. It seems like your wish to improve race relations is heavily one-sided Timing.

The corporate argument is just more of the same cycle.

No, the corporate argument is reality. Once again, I challenge you to talk to some of the black employees at your job or the recruiter at your job and see where the majority of the blacks there went to school. Corporations invest in black colleges. They reap on their investment by recruiting from those same schools. That is reality, and it's how the system works.

It sounds as if you had a great experience, though I still question the ability of 'colleges' to facilitate the same environment as a research University (having attended the College of Charleston, which I loved, and now currently attending the University of Utah).

Once again Achebe, it depends on what career you want to focus on. As an Accountant, going to a major research university does nothing extra for me. I'm worried about learning my trade and being in an environment where I can be noticed (i.e. where recruiters come).

Maybe its just me, but I don't see your point here. I went to the Univ of Maryland (a "white" school according to some I suppose). I found Maryland to have a lot of diversity when it came to the student body. However, outside of fraternity events, I don't remember there being too many events with "white" aspects to them or "black" aspects to them. I just remember there being events in general. If the event interested you, then you went..if it didn't , you did something else.

Well, I'm gonna assume you are a white student (or non-black)and that your school is a "white school". You must realize that black people and white people are different when it comes to culture, and that's perfectly fine. Differences are what makes the world interesting. The environment at a black school is just totally different in general than the environment at a white one. It's hard to explain. You would just have to visit the school to experience what I'm talking about. Your school is a "white school". That alone makes the aspect totally different.

 

Umm, I am kind of comfortable around nice people, black, white, red, whatever.


As long as they are hot chicks.

 

It was built for white men to attend. But it eventually grew beyond that. You wouldn't call UT a "men's college" anymore even though that's what it started out being (though Texas Woman's University in Denton would still likely be considered a "women's college" even though men are allowed to attend and do attend).

I don't have a problem with Historically Black Colleges. People should go where they feel comfortable going. That approx. 250,000 African-American students choose to attend HBCs is nothing to fret over, in my opinion (of course, the fact that these colleges do still exist is also no reason to quit striving for larger minority representation at other colleges and universities).

 

Umm, I am kind of comfortable around nice people, black, white, red, whatever.

So did you ever look into going to a HBCU, or did you go somewhere where the majority of the students were like you?

That approx. 250,000 African-American students choose to attend HBCs is nothing to fret over, in my opinion (of course, the fact that these colleges do still exist is also no reason to quit striving for larger minority representation at other colleges and universities).

I agree 100%. It is about a students choice. I have no problem with black students choosing to go to white schools. I went to one, and I do recruiting for UT and Morehouse. However, I do have an issue when students are looked at differently because they choose to go to a black school, especially when some people feel that the schools are inferior (when it's obvious they know nothing about the school).

 

To be honest, I don't know what a HBCU is...and it would be hard to find any place where the majority of the students are "like me" (I assume you mean race/skin color)...

 

Originally posted by Icehouse
You are incorrect. TSU and PV has some very excellent programs, such as engineering, teaching, nursing and pharmacy. If I choose to pursue one of those fields, then those are both great schools to go to. That comment shows me that you don't know very much about either of those schools.

I'm not talking about A program, I'm talking about the entire school. Every college has *something* they specialize in to attract students. According to US News and World Report, TSU is a Tier 4 school (there are only 4 tiers so that's a ranking somewhere between 195-249) while UT is in Tier 1 ranked #47, Notre Dame is in Tier 1 ranked #18, BYU is in Tier 2 along with Howard and Texas A&M. I can't even find PV on the list. So your assertion that TSU is just like Notre Dame and BYU is just terrible. TSU and PV are not "great schools" by any stretch of the imagination.

I could say the same about some white schools. Should we eliminate Sam Houston or SWT because they are not as strong as UT or A&M? Do you see the huge double standard that you are creating? Sure, PV and TSU aren't on the level of Morehouse and Spelman, but that dosen't mean they don't have some benefits to make a student want to go there.

You could say the same however there are always going to be schools which are less costly and of a less quality like Sam Houston or SWT or SFA. The difference is that, barring a money problem, whites don't dismiss better colleges to go there. There is no double standard here and in fact you've already tried to insinuate things with this "white schools" bologna and previously talking about how historically black colleges are open to anyone who wants to attend. I think "white schools" are open to anyone who wants to attend as well and if more black kids made that choice then they'd feel more comfortable.

Hmm, how is a student who wants to pursue a career in engineering hurting himself by going to PV when they can be around their people, their culture, and have a better chance of getting a job after graduation because companies come their SPECIFICALLY to find black engineers?

He's hurting himself by not choosing a school that potentially has a better engineering program. Again perpetuating a cycle of segregation with this around their people, their culture stuff. If their people always picked the best schools like other kids then they'd be around their people and their culture.

How are they perpretuating anything? White students, and students of any other race are more than welcome to apply and attend a HBCU. Is it our fault that they choose not to apply? You look down on someone who picks TSU or PV over UT. Should I look down on someone that picks Tech or SWT over Morehouse, since Morehouse is clearly a stronger school?

I don't know about looking down on someone but if Morehouse were in the same area and cost wasn't an issue then of course you should point out that they're choosing an inferior opportunity. Aside from cost, why should any student pick SWT or TSU over UT or A&M or Rice? Makes no sense.

The schools don't provide students with networking opportunities? How large do you think my UT network is once I leave the borders of Texas, Oklahoma or Louisiana? Realistic question? Is the majority of your network your race? I'm pretty sure it is. Yet you think a white school offers a black student a better chance to network, especially considering that the majority of black professionals in the corporate world attended HBCU's?

How many Presidents, Senators, CEO's of fortune 500 companies have gone to Morehouse, Spelman, and Howard as opposed to Harvard, Princeton, and Yale? It's shocking to read the degree to which you want to maintain segregated practices. Yes, a better school offers black students a higher ceiling of opportunities and networking. That should be as plain as day. I'm Puerto Rican and my network consists of a white majority because that's the environment I live in. I don't use race as a determinant to who I'm friends with or who I surround myself with and anyone who does that is just sad.

You know this guy Robert Johnson, the richest black man in America, who was just awarded an NBA franchise? He has a degree from Princeton, not an HBCU. Just an example but a pretty good one it seems.

No, I'm just telling you how the real world works.

Well it's not working so well right now. Maybe by changing some things we as a society can do better.

No, black kids are just more comfortable around other black kids, the same way that white kids are more comfortable around other white kids. That's probably why most white students choose not to go to black colleges. Oh, but it's okay for us to go to your schools though? Even though UT might not be classified as a "white school", it is because it was built for white students to attend (meaning others could not attend), and the majority of the students there now are white. Once again, one hell of a double standard.

The majority of Americans are white so the majority of students at UT SHOULD be white. And what are you talking about "your schools"? The Citadel was built for men to attend and now there are women there. Should women not bother because it wasn't built for them? Of course not, that's ridiculous. Black schools were built to segregate blacks but you're okay with perpetuating that. Strange stuff man.

You have yet to show me how TSU or PV is inferior for a black student that chooses to focus on certain fields. If my chances of getting a job after graduation are better, then how is my education inferior. Companies don't hire inferior employees. Sure, my accounting firm does not go to TSU or PV looking for auditors, but that does not mean schools or engineering firms don't. Please give me some support for your inferior comment.

They're considered inferior by US News and World Report which is probably the best known rating survey in the nation.

If a student of another race really wants to learn about black culture, THEN ATTEND A BLACK COLLEGE. If you really want to learn Spanish, you go live in Spain for a while right?

If I want to learn to speak Spanish I don't attend a school in Brownsville because their Spanish is so much better there and there are a lot more latinos. Geez. It's not about wanting to learn it's about what students should be learning. Black culture should be more a part of education in our school system but there's no incentive for anyone to change that. Universities change according to demand from their student body. With a more representative student body there would be change in that regard IMHO.

You don't say, hey hispanic/mexican guy, come over here to teach me about your culture. I'm pretty sure white students aren't saying, hey......I need to go to Morehouse so those black kids can learn about my culture. It seems like your wish to improve race relations is heavily one-sided Timing.

You're being really naive man. Hispanics, like whites, encompass many nationalities with different cultures, far far far far more so than African-Americans. Hispanics aren't as involved in important aspects of American history like African-Americans, ie slavery, the Civil War, Civil Rights, etc. It is vital that African-American history is well covered in all colleges and by perpetuating this segregation of college kids by race you're only hurting the cause of progress in this country.

 

I'm white, and I picked SWT after getting accepted to both UT and Baylor.

Carry on.