In case you missed my reply to RocketMan Tex, here it is again... There are orgainzations that provide just the sort of thing you say "folks don't give a flying f*ck" about. Here are a few of examples in Minnesota: "Our archdiocese has developed programs to assist women and their families during pregnancy. Catholic Charities' Seton Services offers medical, social, and adoption services throughout pregnancy, birth, and afterward. The Respect Life Office provides emergency financial assistance through the LIFE FUND, helps with housing through the Share-A-Life Program, and in the Marian Project reaches out to women and men hurting after an abortion." The above was from a letter written by Archbishop Harry Flynn. In addition the churches in the Archdiocese regularly offer support through individual church volunteer organizations. This support includes clothing, food, miscellaneous help (e.g. babysitting, meals, driving to doctor's appointments, etc.), monetary assistance, counseling, job training, etc. I would surmise that organizations such as this exist in every state.
I said it was a utilitarian decision??? I think that's what you said. I stated the facts, that bringing a fetus to life doesn't necessarily mean the same thing as giving a baby a LIFE. A LIFE of happiness, or at the very least, a LIFE that doesn't prevent others from living in happiness by crime or violence. Pro-life people force others to give birth to a baby and then don't take care of it. Sure, there are organizations as previously stated, blah blah, but it's definitely not the same as a planned birth. Given the number of children in orphanages, you'd wonder where all those pro-life people are now. If you want to go to a woman and tell her that you'll take care of her unwanted baby, then fine, that's great. But to tell her not to have her baby, and then go along with your life feeling morally superior is hypocritical.
I believe Max is one of the non hypocritical pro-lifer on the bbs. I have respect for people like that even if I do not always agree with them.
I suspect many, many births are not "planned" but the parents are responsible enough to carry the child to term. Were you "planned"? My son and daugther weren't "planned". Those organizations that you "blah, blah", do help set up adoptions or in cases where the mother decides to keep the child, they do help with various responsiblities including money, counseling and job/career training. People that don't take an "active" interest (e.g. don't physically adopt the child), help in other ways as well. I doubt all (or most) of those kids in orphanges are the result of mother's deciding not to have abortions.
That's not my point. My point is, if life is so sacred to them, they should jump in and try to help those kids. Also they should be anti-war, pro-environment, and anti-death penalty. And they should promote the use of condoms...
For starters, Advocate let single mothers with no means of supporting the kid to fend for themselves. Do not believe all lives are equal (Example, American lives are worth more than Iraqi lives) Do not believe in the use of contraceptives to prevent unwanted births.
Once again, who says pro-life people AREN'T helping? RocketMan Tex's original post indicated that pro-lifers "don't give a flying f*ck about the baby or the baby's family once the baby is born". That's blatantly false. You appeared to agree with him asking where the pro-life people were after the birth. Again, my examples showed that in the Twin Cities area alone, there are a number of organizations that go to great lengths to offer care and support before, during and after pregnancy. Those kids ARE being helped by pro-life folks (as well as pro-choice folks). As an aside, why is someone who is pro-life EXPECTED to be pro-environment? Are you saying I can't be pro-life AND for oil drilling in the Alaska wilderness? Also, if you want to talk hypocrisy, it is hypocritical for anyone who believes life begins at conception to use any sort of artificial birth control as you say they should (e.g. "pronote the use of condoms")
I am not following this. Why is that? I am pro choice and pro death penalty, but I do not see why you have to be pro death penalty to be pro choice. Pro choice is not anti-life.
I never said there are NO pro-lifers who help babies when they are born. And if it was implied that was not my intention. Just emphasizing the significant faction of pro-lifers who don't. "why is someone who is pro-life EXPECTED to be pro-environment?" well for starters, destruction of the environment is the destruction of life. The lives of animals and trees are extinguished and even we are harmed eventually with global warming and such. "Are you saying I can't be pro-life AND for oil drilling in the Alaska wilderness?" Of course you can. It'd be hypocritical, that's all. "Also, if you want to talk hypocrisy, it is hypocritical for anyone who believes life begins at conception to use any sort of artificial birth control as you say they should" How so? There is no conception so there's no life. With no life being destroyed why not use contraceptives?
That's an unfair generalization. I know plenty of pro-life people who are caring individuals. Just because someone may have a different point of view than you doesn't mean that they are evil.
That a good point. A high percentage of pregnancies are miscarried without the woman ever knowing that she is pregnant. I would hardly classify those as "dead babies". On the other side - a 6-7 month old embryo with arms, legs, brain, beating heart, etc. is definitely a living being. I just wish sane people from both sides would just admit that there is no black and white absolutes about this issue. Calling the other side "evil" or "sexist" or "racist" is pointless and disrespectful. Maybe a definition of life amendment could go along ways as a sane and reasonable compromise. A woman would obstesibly be alloted 3-4 months time to get an abortion (plenty of time). At a certain point though, it becomes increasingly difficult to deny the fact that the embryo has become a living baby.
I'll explain as soon as wouldabeen23 explains why the opposite is true since he said it in the post I quoted. EDIT: Aw screw it. Time to go home. Have a great weekend fellow Rocket fans and we'll see you all for Game 1 vs. Phoenix!
